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Car Corrections (updated 13th November 2018)

Hutch_TimHutch_Tim Administrator, Hutch Staff Posts: 368 admin
edited November 13 in General Discussion

This is a new thread for collecting car corrections. This post will be edited as new corrections are added, considered, confirmed and implemented.

Corrections confirmed for a future update
S28 2008 Caterham RS Levante - will be corrected to have traction control.
A25 2002 Porsche Cayenne Turbo S - name will be corrected to Cayenne Turbo. Picture is believed to be correct (comes from Porsche's media repository).

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Posting guidelines

  • Please post your corrections specifying which year, make and model the correction is for

  • If you can include a link to a reliable source, the correction is a lot more likely to be considered

  • In some cases it can be hard to cite a source (for example, for Handling scores, which attempt to sum up a car’s overall cornering performance). Good performance comparison references with other in-game cars can help here.

Where does the Top Drives data come from?
We partner with Evo magazine to provide us with all the car stats. They reference their own testing database, and outside of that they look for reliable reports of real-world performance.

What is a reliable source?
A reliable source is ideally from a site that records observed performance. The manufacturer’s own stats are a good source for completely objective aspects like weight, drive traction etc, but for 0-60 times and top speeds we know that real-life performance can vary (both above and below). If we have a slightly different 0-60 time or top speed to that quoted by the manufacturer, that’s usually because Evo was referencing some real-life testing data.

Notes on specific stats
If you think the mid-range is wrong, cite a source with times that we could reference (e.g. time for 0-100mph, 0-120mph etc).

For weight, note that we need kerb weight, with fluids, and with a driver included! Dry weight should not be used. If you see that we’ve used dry weight, that’s a mistake that needs correcting, as we did with some of the McLarens.

For ground clearance, a good reference point is the lowest Mitsubishi Evo’s. These are probably some of the lowest cars classed as ‘medium’, going down to around 5.4” (137mm) of ground clearance.

If you think handling is wrong, this is tricky to prove, and the best method is to compare it to the handling of other cars in game that you think it should match, with real world track performance for reference if possible.

Cars with a speed limiter (such as 155mph for many German cars) are a different category. Ideally we would better represent the speed limiter in game (e.g. perhaps upgrading the engine improves mid-range but not top speed), but we have not decided exactly how to do this, and it’s not the highest feature on the list.


Corrections process
I will review the thread once a week.

Any new potential corrections will be added to the list below.

Corrections with sources will enter our review process.

Corrections without sources will be considered if we think they are high priority (e.g. a very big change, or a very important car in-game).

Even if a correction enters review, that does not guarantee that any change will be made as it will depend on what we conclude from the review process.

Corrections may be made in different ways. If the picture/model-name doesn’t match the stats, we might change the picture/model-name, or we might change the stats. If we re-evaluate a stat (like 0-60), we’ll take any provided links into account, but we’ll also look for other sources, and based on what we think is most reliable we may end up correcting to a different figure to the one a player originally cited. It’s also possible that we will conclude our original figure is from a more reliable source than the source a player originally cited, in which case we won’t make a change.

To implement corrections, we have to calculate the new results (with the ‘resolver’; this simulates every race for every car on every track at every upgrade state), check the results are as expected, and if so we then have to publish an updated for the game with the new figures in it, so the client agrees with the server on the results. This is why we can’t make single corrections quickly. For efficiency, we typically group up many corrections to make in a single update.


Corrections for review
Performance stats with links (not Wikipedia!)
S30 2015 McLaren P1 GTR: Top speed should be 217mph, not 202mph (see Evo link) (link)
S29 2012 Pagani Zonda 760RS: 0-60 should be 2.9s (not 3.1s), top speed 223mph (not 210mph) (supercarworld link)
S29 2017 Porsche Macan Turbo S Performance Pack: 0-60 4.2>4.0, or even 3.7s as per this test: (link). Note The Performance Package is called the ‘S’ in other markets. This link suggests a 0-60 of 3.5s (link)
S28 2017 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon: Seems to combine race flashed ECU + race fuel + skinny front tire version with regular version, and MRA seems slow. 840 peak power and 2.3s 0-60 time suggests race-flashed, but that would do a 1/4m in under 10s (rather than 10.3s seen in-game); race-flashed also should have much worse handling with those skinny front tires. (Discussion with links from this post onwards)
S28 2015 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Incorrect driverless weight of 1420 (DIN), should be 1495 (EU) to be brought into line with the 2018 GT3 RS and GT2 RS (EU) weights. (link)
S28 2003 Porsche Carrera GT: 0-60 3,7>3,5 (link)
S27 2010 Porsche Panamera Turbo: 0-60 4,0>3,7. Could be as low as 3.5s (link)
S27 2016 Dodge Viper ACR: 0-60 is currently at 4.0s, but has been reported at 3.6s and even 3.4s. Also check mid-range. (Screenshots from unknown source in this post) (link) (link)
S27 1986 Porsche 959 Dakar: top speed 160>130 (official Porsche museum) (link)

A30 2015 Audi RS 7 Sportback: Ground clearance is 109mm, should be low (link)
A30 2013 Audi RS 6 Avant: Ground clearance is 114mm, should be low (link) - but can also be adjusted to 145mm with "air ride" so no change needed?
A30 2013 Audi RS 6 Avant: 0-60 3.7 > 3.8 (link) also note 0-62 time of 3.9s (link)
A29 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ-400: User believes the stats are incorrectly taken from the "evo viii 2003-2005 fq400 rather than the Evo X FQ-400 pictured”. Evo X FQ-400 is definitely slower - year/name/picture should probably change (link)
A26 2016 Cadillac CT6: 0-60 is too fast at 5.0s - does 0-62 in 5.7s (see Evo link) (link)
A25 2016 BMW M6: Ground clearance is 107mm, should be low (link)
A26 2015 Audi TTS Coupe: Ground clearance is 114mm, should be low (link)
A26 2012 Audi RS 5 Cabriolet: Ground clearance is 104mm, should be low (link)
A25 2012 Ford Mustang BOSS 302: Should have 4 seats, not 5 (image)
A25 2017 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport: 0-60 should be 3.5, and top speed 195mph (link)

A25 2000 Audi RS 4 Avant: Ground clearance is 100mm, should be low (link)
A25 1966 Jaguar XJ13: The picture of the XJ13 is a replica. Please fix this. The rims are different. There are a line of rivets along the side air intakes on the original, and they're bigger. (Pictures in linked post) (link)
A24 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1: MRA should improve - 0-60 looks ok but can do a 1/4m in 11.9s (currently stock does 12.4s in game) (link)
A24 2005 BMW M5 2016: Ground clearance is 112mm, should be low (link)
A23 1999 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34): Ground clearance is 145mm, should be medium (unless it's V-spec) (pdf link)
A23 1994 Audi RS 2 Avant: Ground clearance is 100mm, should be low (link)
A23 2016 Mercedes-Benz AMG S 65 Coupe: Ground clearance is 114mm, should be low (link)

B22 2009 Ford Focus RS: Ground clearance is 99mm, should be low (link)
B22 1997 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33): Ground clearance is 173mm, should be medium (unless it's V-spec) (link)
B21 1989 Nissan Skyeline GT-R (R32): Ground clearance is 161mm, should be medium (unless it's V-spec) (link)
B21 2006 Cadillac XLR-V: Ground clearance is 168mm, should be medium (link)
B20 2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8: Mid-range should be better.. HeissRod notes that it has the same Drivetrain as the Chrysler 300 SRT-8 which currently beats it. (link to supercars.net)

C18 2012 Ford Focus ST: Incorrectly has the same stats as 2005 Ford Focust ST Superchips. Top speed should be 154mph, weight should be 1,362kg. Mid-range potentially different as well. (link)
C17 2018 Dodge Durango SRT: Either all the stats are wrong, or the name/picture is wrong. "These are the stats for the base v6 model" (link to dodge.com)
C16 1995 Honda Integra Type R: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
C16 2004 Cadillac XLR Roadster: Ground clearance is 168mm, should be medium (link)
C16 2004 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 Coupe: The 0-60 is way too high on this car (6.2s). Car and Driver has this car hitting 0-60 in 5.1 seconds.
C16 2004 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 Coupe: The 0-60 is way too high on this car (6.2s). Car and Driver has this car hitting 0-60 in 5.1 seconds. (link)
C15 2004 Dodge SRT-4: Stats don't match model/year. Should be: For the 2004 model year (as pictured and listed on the card); HP = 230; Torque = 250; 0-60 - 5.2 seconds; Top Speed - 153 mph; Handling - should be much higher than 73. Probably about 80 or so; Height - 1.42 (link)
C15 2015 Lotus Elise 1.6: Ground clearance is 140mm, should be medium (link)

D14 1966 Fiat 124 Sport Spider: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
D14 2003 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Jeff Gordon Edition: Should be FWD (link to classiccars.com)
D14 1980 Audi quattro: Ground clearance is 115mm, should be low (link)
D13 1996 Honda Prelude Type S: Ground clearance is 145mm, should be medium (link)
D12 1988 Honda CRX VTEC: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
D11 1987 Honda Prelude 2.0Si 4WS: Ground clearance is 140mm, should be medium (link)
D11 1985 Fiat Uno Turbo: the image of the fiat uno turbo belong to the 1989-93 edition. That is not an iconic car at all, has differents specs and, cause it looks like the Fiat Tipo, was named "tipino". And is sh**t in comparison of the Uno Turbo '85. (wiki link) The correct image car for the UNO TURBO is something like this (image in linked post) (link)
D11 1962 Lotus Elan: Ground clearance is 152mm, should be medium (link)

E10 1991 Chevrolet Lumina Z34: The Lumina should be a bit quicker to 60. Around the 7.2 second range (current in-game is 8.0s). Also, this car is FWD, not RWD. (link)
E9 2013 Caterham Seven 270: Should have standard tires (specifically it has ZT5 tires) (link 1 link 2)
E9 2016 Honda CR-Z: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
E8 1983 Honda Civic CRX Si: Ground clearance is 160mm, should be medium (link)

F6 1991 Chevrolet Beretta GTZ: The Beretta GTZ stats are off. It does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, not 11.1. Handling should also be higher. I believe the performance stats were taken from a base car and not the GTZ. (youtube link)
F5 1991 Chevrolet Caprice: The 0-60 for the Caprice should be closer to 10 seconds (current in-game is 12.5s). Even the heavier wagon pulled off a 10.5 second run in 1991. Here's the video. (link)
F5 2016 Renault Twizy: Ground clearance is 120mm, should be medium (link)
F4 1983 Chevrolet Camaro berlinetta: 0-60 should be around 10s (currently 15s!). Here is a comparison from 1983. Click the 'Test results' box on the right of the screen for the magazine's performance results. (link)


Performance stats without links (if you want these to be prioritised, please provide links to back them up)
S28 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'56".
S29 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'47".

A29 2015 Audi RS 3 Sportback: 0-60 4,1>3,9
A28 2015 Cadillac CTS-V: all of the stats are for the next generation 2016 CTS-V. The 2015 CTS-V made 556 hp while the new 2016 CTS-V made 640 hp. (Wikipedia link)
A26 2001 Porsche 911 GT2: in game 911 gt2 2001 stats = 3,9 0-60 and 196 top / real life 911 gt2 2001 stats = 3,7 0-60 and 198 top
A26 1995 Porsche 911 Turbo: 0-60 4,3>3,8
A26 2016 BMW X5 M50d: 0-60 5,3>5,0
A25 2016 Porsche Boxster Spyder: 0-60 4,3>4,0
A25 2017 Porsche 718 Boxster S: 0-60 3,8>4,3
A25 2016 BMW M6: 0-60 4,2>4,1
A25 2013 BMW M6 Gran Coupe: 0-60 4,0>3,5
A25 2007 Mercedes-AMG CLK 63 Black Series: Ground clearance should be low
A25 2007 Mercedes-AMG CLK DTM: Ground clearance should be low
A24 2006 Audi S8: 0-60 4,9>5,0
A24 2016 BMW M5: 0-60 4,3>3,7
A23 1996 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IV: In evo 4 they place new AYC (Active Yaw Control) aka traction. Later models have SAYC (Super Active Yaw Control). In game they lack traction control.

B22 2016 Cadillac XT5: 0-60 6,6>6,5
B22 2016 Vauxhall Maloo R8 LSA: Maloo should be faster (we have 0-100 in 11.3s, player quotes 0-100 in 9.3s). Tried to find sources but couldn't.
B22 1997 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33): R32 skyline beats R33 in long drags. It's helped me a ton, but it's silly. (Implication is MRA of R33 is too weak, or possibly R32 is too strong).
B22 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS Coupe: Ride height set at Medium (should be low, compared to the Camaro SS Convertible (same height?) Not sure which is correct.
B21 2012 Chevrolet Camaro Convertible: Ride height set to low (should be same as above as the Height is the same for both cars)
B21 1993 Audi S2 Coupe: 0-60/top 5,5>5,8 154>150
B21 2000 BMW Z8: 0-60 4,5>4,1
B19 1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS: MRA is too slow
B19 2014 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: 0-60 6,8>6,5

C18 2011 Cadillac Escalade: 0-60 6,3>7,0
C17 1999 Audi S6: wrong stats, currently Has a motor from C4 model 1994. 1999 model has 4.2 V8 engine with 344 hp, ingame model using 2.2 turbo 230 hp, same engine like Audi S2 use
C17 1992 Porsche 968: 0-60 6,2>5,8
C16 2008 Subaru Forester: Body style is currently 'estate', should be SUV (also true of the other Subaru Foresters)
C15 1993 Nissan 200SX: Ground clearance 5.7in/145mm - should be medium
C15 1979 Porsche 924 Turbo: 0-60 7,3>6,9 s

D14 1980 Audi Quattro: 0-60 6,6>6,8
D12 2002 BMW Turbo: 7,3>6,6
D11 1989 BMW Z1: 0-60 7,8>9,0
D11 2000 Chevrolet Blazer: The Blazer should have all surface tires. It’s a true body on frame SUV with a two speed transfer case. (currently has Standard tires)
D11 1982 Porsche 944: 0-60 8,0>8,2 s

E10 1976 Porsche 924: 0-60 9,1>11,6 s
E10 1977 BMW 728i: 0-60 8,7>8,5
E7 1969 Porsche 914: 0-60 12,3>13,7 s
E7 1971 Mazda RX-3: Ground clearance looks like it should be medium

F3 1980 Cadillac Seville: Cadillac seville 0-60 13,2>10,5


Picture/year/model-name

S29 2017 Porsche Macan Turbo S Performance Pack: there is no turbo S Macan.... this should be Macan Turbo performance pack
S27 2016 Mercedes-AMG GT3: Picture is actually of SLS GT3

A30 2013 Audi S8 plus: Not actually released until 2015
A25 2016 Jaguar F-Type Convertible: Image is silver, in-game model is red
A24 2015 Mercedes CLS 400: The Mercedes CLS 400 has a picture of a Mercedes CLS 63 AMG
A24 2006 Mercedes-AMG E 63: "this Mercedes E 63 AMG is a 2006 when the design shown in the picture looks like a 2010 model."
A24 2012 Mercedes-AMG C 63: Wrong picture, in-game shows W205 model, the correct one is W204 facelift.
A24 2012 Mercedes-AMG C 63: Weight should be 1655 kg.
A23 2003 Mercedes-AMG E 55: Wrong pic - looks like a 1999 model
A23 2001 Chevrolet Z06: Wrong pic - shows a regular C5, not the C5 Z06
A23 2005 Chevrolet Corvette Z06: Wrong pic - this is a ZR1
A23 2009 Mercedes-AMG S 63: Wrong picture, in-game shows W222 model, the correct one is W221 facelift
A23 2017 Chevrolet Camaro SS: The HP and torque of this camaro are correct but the picture and weight is of the 2015 version not the 2017, the weight should be 1671kg not 1783kg

B20 1993 Subaru Impreza WRX: The Subaru WRX STI's card lists the year as 1993 yet the picture shows a 1999 model.
B19 1999 Mercedes-Benz E 430: Weight should be 1650kg instead of 1580kg (Claimed EU version)
B19 1998 BMW 540i: Either picture or year is wrong... "The BMW 540i come in September 1992. Until September 1992 the top model from the E34 line was the 535 with a 6 cylinder. The 530i and the 540i with 8 cylinder come with the facelift in September 1992"

C18 2016 Infiniti QX50: Wrong pic - pic shows an EX-37
C18 1999 Honda S2000: Wrong pic - shows the newer version of the S2000
C18 1981 Chevrolet Corvette ZR2: Should be 1971. (link to Superchevy.com)
C17 1997 Volvo 850 AWD: stats are correct, but the image is wrong (it shows a 1992/1993 GLT model). The correct image should be a 850 station wagon (that was the only 850 that came in AWD form). Also: "Current picture shows a 1992 sedan 850. All AWD 850s were wagons and had the later facelift (1994-1997)."
C16 1984 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z: The IROC-Z didn’t appear until 1985. The year and specs associated with this card would suggest the 1984 Camaro Z/28. The image and name need to be corrected.
C16 2016 Subaru Outback: The photo is of the previous generation model. (example in post)
C16 2016 Subaru Outback: Wrong pic - it shows the 2008 model
C15 1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS 454: Incorrect image

D13 2016 Ford Focus ST TDCi Estate: this pic should be a facelift model
D12 1996 Citroen Saxo VTS 16V: "The Citroen Saxo is wrong as the year is 1996 and the photo is of a MK2 version that came out in 1999 onwards."

E10 1976 Porsche 924: image is of a 924 Turbo, not a regular 924. The offset hood scoop and extra grille intakes in the bumper are of a turbo model.
E9 2011 Chevrolet Aveo: Picture is actually of a Chevrolet Sonic
E8 1978 Ford Capri 3.0 S: incorrect picture. Depicted is a more modern Capri 2.8i, recognizable by alloys, side mirrors in a chassis paintjob and a thin red line on side of the car. The 3 litre in S spec had "S" vinyl sticker on lower part of it's side and classic "daisy" alloys.

F6 1981 Ford Fiesta XR2: "The Ford Fiesta xr2 is the wrong year. I told them about this before the update as they had the year as a MK3 Fiesta xr2i but a photo of a MK2 xr2. Now they have gone wrong the other way and have the year as a MK1 xr2 instead of a MK2 xr2 that it is."
F4 1993 Suzuki Wagon R: Wrong pic - this is a 2010 Wagon R
F4 1997 Mercedes-Benz A 160: Wrong pic - card says 1997, but the pic is a newer model


Rejected corrections (by Hutch or countered by players)
S28 2003 Porsche Carrera GT (prize car): In real life the Porsche Carrera GT has no traction control. Traction control cited here.
A24 2015 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S: Should be 4WD. Rejected because RWD version exists and that's what we chose to use.
S27 2007 Porsche 911 GT2: in game 911 gt2 2007 stats = 3,4 0-60 and 204 top real life 911 gt2 2007 stats = 3,8 0-60 and 204 top. 3.4s is correct
S27 2004 Ford GT: Should be 2005 not 2004 The year is fine. The GT was sold from 2004 to 2006 (link)

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Comments

  • ManUtdTobbeManUtdTobbe Member Posts: 642 ✭✭✭✭
    This is great overall, love this.
  • RawelRawel Member Posts: 602 ✭✭✭✭
    So every listed change will happen? Rip audis lol, as low they'll lose their main strength
  • ManUtdTobbeManUtdTobbe Member Posts: 642 ✭✭✭✭
    Rawel said:
    So every listed change will happen? Rip audis lol, as low they'll lose their main strength
    No, all of the changes under review will be investigated is how i'm understanding it while the other changes need some sources to be bumped up to review status.
  • RawelRawel Member Posts: 602 ✭✭✭✭
    Rawel said:
    So every listed change will happen? Rip audis lol, as low they'll lose their main strength
    No, all of the changes under review will be investigated is how i'm understanding it while the other changes need some sources to be bumped up to review status.
    But audis are listed with source, so I guess it's highly probable?
  • car43car43 Member Posts: 2
    edited October 29
    A24 2015 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S should be AWD not RWD.
  • 43MK443MK4 Member Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    car43 said:
    A24 2015 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S should be AWD not RWD.
    Both versions exists. Rwd is a rare version available in UK market. This issue has been discussed on this forum.
  • lg29lg29 Member Posts: 493 ✭✭✭
    From what I read, a Ford GT gets medium ground clearance when an Audi RS6 gets low ground clearance.. how is that even possible??
  • car43car43 Member Posts: 2
    43MK4 said:
    Both versions exists. Rwd is a rare version available in UK market. This issue has been discussed on this forum.
    This is not an argument becasue this game is not about the rare versions of cars. Beside this, RWD verision of 2015 E63 AMG does 0-100 km/h in 4,1s and AWD version under 4s. In game car has 3,9s that is why I think it should be AWD.
  • ManUtdTobbeManUtdTobbe Member Posts: 642 ✭✭✭✭
    Hutch_Tim said:

    ...

    Corrections may be made in different ways. If the picture/model-name doesn’t match the stats, we might change the picture/model-name, or we might change the stats. If we re-evaluate a stat (like 0-60), we’ll take any provided links into account, but we’ll also look for other sources, and based on what we think is most reliable we may end up correcting to a different figure to the one a player originally cited. It’s also possible that we will conclude our original figure is from a more reliable source than the source a player originally cited, in which case we won’t make a change.

    ...

    You can't just give it another name or you violating your own terms of service! e.g. I earned the license to use a virtual item, let's say a Dodge Durango SRT, if you now change the license into a Durango SXT that's a different product/virtual item. Not what I acquired.
    http://www.hutchgames.com/terms-of-service/

    Let's say you bought from Microsoft the license to use Windows 10 Pro for the next 5 years and Microsoft would now come one day and say to you "sorry we screw up, now we have to downgrade you to Windows 10 Home, have a nice day". Would you think that's right?


    Or they could just acquire the other license and change the name? :)
  • SaNeRSaNeR Member Posts: 2
    Haha...s65 should be low?Okey...Give him good mid-range acceleration
  • SaNeRSaNeR Member Posts: 2
    And rs7 have 145mm,not 107mm 
  • HeissRodHeissRod Member Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nel1978 said:
    Hutch is not going to consider this website a reliable source.  They do not conduct their own testing and do not link to sources of their data.
  • HeissRodHeissRod Member Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Awesome post, @Hutch_Tim.  Thanks for taking the time to keep us informed.

    I am a little surprised to see that only one correction is 100% verified and has been confirmed to be coming in a future update.
  • ritter_seboritter_sebo Member Posts: 344 ✭✭✭
    It just took me 5 mins to find a new source the ground clearance for the RS6
    "With a minimum ground clearance of 145 millimetres"

    As the Audi RS6 has an "air ride", the clearance can easily differ up and down!
    As many of the high class cars.

  • Parimal_2000Parimal_2000 Member Posts: 642 ✭✭✭
    @Hutch_Tim what about lancias? They definitely didn't have traction control and in the game it is shown to have traction control.
  • ritter_seboritter_sebo Member Posts: 344 ✭✭✭
    For the S65, if you use the min. ride hight / ground clearance that would be stupid, with an air ride.
    Our source mentioned it, that it's the max loaded one, with lowest settings... not the max nor the medium setting (medium would the standard).
  • TNThomasTNThomas Member Posts: 468 ✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    nel1978 said:
    Hutch is not going to consider this website a reliable source.  They do not conduct their own testing and do not link to sources of their data.
    So is this one good? It states the source of each time.

    https://www.0-60specs.com/dodge-viper-0-60-times/
  • Hutch_TimHutch_Tim Administrator, Hutch Staff Posts: 368 admin
    43MK4 said:
    car43 said:
    A24 2015 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S should be AWD not RWD.
    Both versions exists. Rwd is a rare version available in UK market. This issue has been discussed on this forum.
    Correct. In general if the car exists in the form we have it, we will keep it that way. As a rough guide that we take the version of the car for the intended target market, or sometimes just the UK version (as that's where we and Evo are based).

    lg29 said:
    From what I read, a Ford GT gets medium ground clearance when an Audi RS6 gets low ground clearance.. how is that even possible??
    Check the sources, if you think they are mistaken then post different sources (as people are already doing for the Audi's - thanks!)

    You can't just give it another name or you violating your own terms of service! e.g. I earned the license to use a virtual item, let's say a Dodge Durango SRT, if you now change the license into a Durango SXT that's a different product/virtual item. Not what I acquired.
    http://www.hutchgames.com/terms-of-service/
    I'm not a lawyer, but we employ them, and I tend believe what they say regarding interpretations. In this case it's a very philosophical difference - if we give out a car where all the stats match one car, but we've given it the name of a different one, which one do you "actually" have a license to use? It seems more obvious to me that the thing we gave out is defined more by the stats than the name, since the stats are what determine its utility in-game, but I believe we can correct either.

    HeissRod said:
    Awesome post, @Hutch_Tim.  Thanks for taking the time to keep us informed.

    I am a little surprised to see that only one correction is 100% verified and has been confirmed to be coming in a future update.
    We gather and announce corrections in batches, generally. The RS Levante was an exception worth noting just because we discussed it a lot before!
  • TwinkieTwinkie Member Posts: 603 ✭✭✭✭
    @Hutch_Tim what about lancias? They definitely didn't have traction control and in the game it is shown to have traction control.
    They need sources boii
  • TNThomasTNThomas Member Posts: 468 ✭✭✭
    edited October 29
    @Hutch_Tim About you thinking on the Durango SRT. It's not only the name, but also the picture. So see it like this: You buy a box of shoes with a picture of blue shoes on them and the name is 'Blue Sneakers', but if you look closer it states the color is red. What do you think most people will think when they buy it (please don't say red to bully me ;) ). I hope you understand my way of thinking.

    The first thing people see when the card flips around in a pack opening is the picture. The picture is a SRT, then they look ate the name, and finally at the stats. Just like when buying the sneakers: Picture on box > big name on the box > colour specification.

    Furthermore, when I open the link to the RQ14 1980 Audi Quattro ride height, I see a BMW 8-Series. When I search pictures of a 1980 Audi Quattro, the ride height seems more than 115mm. I didn't find a source, but please reconsider it.

    EDIT: By the way @Hutch_Tim, could the RQ change for a car that gets a noticeable stat change?
  • HeissRodHeissRod Member Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    nel1978 said:
    Hutch is not going to consider this website a reliable source.  They do not conduct their own testing and do not link to sources of their data.
    So is this one good? It states the source of each time.

    https://www.0-60specs.com/dodge-viper-0-60-times/
    Ehh....kinda.  It says where the stat came from, but doesn't actually link to the article.  That'd be like me saying that this Viper does 0-60 in 8.0 seconds and my source is EVO Magazine.  It gives Hutch somewhere to look, but without actual linked test data, who knows if they will ever find the test data, in order to use it.
  • TopDrives40778TopDrives40778 Member Posts: 87 ✭✭✭
    2015 Porsche GT3 RS - Incorrect driverless weight of 1420 (DIN), should be 1495 (EU) to be brought into line with the 2018 GT3 RS and GT2 RS (EU) weights.

    https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/porsche/porsche-911-gt3-rs-2015-review/
  • mikesmikes Member Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TNThomas said:
    HeissRod said:
    nel1978 said:
    Hutch is not going to consider this website a reliable source.  They do not conduct their own testing and do not link to sources of their data.
    So is this one good? It states the source of each time.

    https://www.0-60specs.com/dodge-viper-0-60-times/
    Here. 3.2 seconds instrument tested.



  • mikesmikes Member Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great work @Hutch_Tim. Good to see many of the recommendations with sources linked will be considered. I can try to compile sources for a lot of the 'un-sourced' vehicles later.
  • TopDrives40778TopDrives40778 Member Posts: 87 ✭✭✭
    mikes said:
    TNThomas said:
    HeissRod said:
    nel1978 said:
    Hutch is not going to consider this website a reliable source.  They do not conduct their own testing and do not link to sources of their data.
    So is this one good? It states the source of each time.

    https://www.0-60specs.com/dodge-viper-0-60-times/
    Here. 3.2 seconds instrument tested.



    Even worst case scenario - "In testing, we clocked a 2016 Viper ACR at 3.4 to 3.5 seconds, depending on whether the car was on street or track mode."

    https://www.motortrend.com/cars/dodge/viper/2017/
  • TopDrives40778TopDrives40778 Member Posts: 87 ✭✭✭
    S29 2017 Porsche Macan Turbo S Performance Pack: 0-60 4,2>4,0

    As a rule, Porsche is always conservative with the quoted 0-60 times.  0 to 60 for this should be reduced from 4.2 to 4.0, or even lower as this test showed 3.7 seconds.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-porsche-macan-turbo-with-performance-package-test-review
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