Car Corrections (updated 15th November 2018)
This is a new thread for collecting car corrections. This post will be edited as new corrections are added, considered, confirmed and implemented.
Corrections confirmed for PL7.5
2015 S30 McLaren P1 GTR: Not that it needs it, but real-world tests show it can reach 217mph rather than 202mph, so we updated it.
2012 S29 Pagani Zonda 760RS (prize car): The 0-62mph time is coming down to 2.6s, which means you’ll see a 0-60 time of 2.5s on the card (only 1 decimal place, you see). The top speed also increased to 217mph and power up to 760BHP.
2008 S28 Caterham Levante: After a lot of investigation, this now has Traction Control!
2016 S27 Dodge Viper ACR: 0-60 improved from 4.0 to 3.4s. You may also find the mid-range acceleration a little better...
1996 S27 Dodge Viper GTS-R (prize car): Nobody has this yet, but the photo has now been corrected to show the race version
2002 A25 Porsche Cayenne Turbo S (prize car): As some of you recently noticed, it’s actually a Cayenne Turbo. The name is now correct.
2003 B22 Infiniti M45: Photo corrected.
2011 B21 Infiniti M35: Year corrected to 2009, photo corrected.
2018 C17 Dodge Durango SRT: Yep, those stats didn’t match. Name and photo has been corrected to the GT version, and a few of the stats were tweaked too.
1991 E10 Chevrolet Lumina Z34: Changed to FWD. 0-60 and top speed improved slightly.
1991 E9 Dodge Stealth: Changed from RWD to FWD, date is actually 1995, and some other stats corrected (improving performance). Maybe nobody will notice…
Please post your corrections specifying which year, make and model the correction is for
If you can include a link to a reliable source, the correction is a lot more likely to be considered
In some cases it can be hard to cite a source (for example, for Handling scores, which attempt to sum up a car’s overall cornering performance). Good performance comparison references with other in-game cars can help here.
Where does the Top Drives data come from?
We partner with Evo magazine to provide us with all the car stats. They reference their own testing database, and outside of that they look for reliable reports of real-world performance.
What is a reliable source?
A reliable source is ideally from a site that records observed performance. The manufacturer’s own stats are a good source for completely objective aspects like weight, drive traction etc, but for 0-60 times and top speeds we know that real-life performance can vary (both above and below). If we have a slightly different 0-60 time or top speed to that quoted by the manufacturer, that’s usually because Evo was referencing some real-life testing data.
Notes on specific stats
If you think the mid-range is wrong, cite a source with times that we could reference (e.g. time for 0-100mph, 0-120mph etc).
For weight, note that we need kerb weight, with fluids, and with a driver included! Dry weight should not be used. If you see that we’ve used dry weight, that’s a mistake that needs correcting, as we did with some of the McLarens.
For ground clearance, a good reference point is the lowest Mitsubishi Evo’s. These are probably some of the lowest cars classed as ‘medium’, going down to around 5.4” (137mm) of ground clearance.
If you think handling is wrong, this is tricky to prove, and the best method is to compare it to the handling of other cars in game that you think it should match, with real world track performance for reference if possible.
Cars with a speed limiter (such as 155mph for many German cars) are a different category. Ideally we would better represent the speed limiter in game (e.g. perhaps upgrading the engine improves mid-range but not top speed), but we have not decided exactly how to do this, and it’s not the highest feature on the list.
I will review the thread roughly once a week. Any new potential corrections will be added to the list below. (Currently working through the backlog - currently up to Mikes update number 3...)
Corrections with sources will enter our review process. Higher priority cars will be considered first (those with bigger changes, and/or very important car in-game).
Corrections without sources will be considered if we think they are high priority (e.g. a very big change, or a very important car in-game).
Even if a correction enters review, that does not guarantee that any change will be made as it will depend on what we conclude from the review process.
Corrections may be made in different ways. If the picture/model-name doesn’t match the stats, we might change the picture/model-name, or we might change the stats. If we re-evaluate a stat (like 0-60), we’ll take any provided links into account, but we’ll also look for other sources, and based on what we think is most reliable we may end up correcting to a different figure to the one a player originally cited. It’s also possible that we will conclude our original figure is from a more reliable source than the source a player originally cited, in which case we won’t make a change.
To implement corrections, we have to calculate the new results (with the ‘resolver’; this simulates every race for every car on every track at every upgrade state), check the results are as expected, and if so we then have to publish an updated for the game with the new figures in it, so the client agrees with the server on the results. This is why we can’t make single corrections quickly. For efficiency, we typically group up many corrections to make in a single update.
Corrections for review
Performance stats with links (not Wikipedia!)
S29 2017 Porsche Macan Turbo S Performance Pack: 0-60 4.2>4.0, or even 3.7s as per this test: (link). Note The Performance Package is called the ‘S’ in other markets. This link suggests a 0-60 of 3.5s (link)
S28 2017 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon: Seems to combine race flashed ECU + race fuel + skinny front tire version with regular version, and MRA seems slow. 840 peak power and 2.3s 0-60 time suggests race-flashed, but that would do a 1/4m in under 10s (rather than 10.3s seen in-game); race-flashed also should have much worse handling with those skinny front tires. (Discussion with links from this post onwards)
S28 2015 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Incorrect driverless weight of 1420 (DIN), should be 1495 (EU) to be brought into line with the 2018 GT3 RS and GT2 RS (EU) weights. (link)
S28 2003 Porsche Carrera GT: 0-60 3,7>3,5 (link)
S27 2010 Porsche Panamera Turbo: 0-60 4,0>3,7. Could be as low as 3.5s (link)
S27 1986 Porsche 959 Dakar: top speed 160>130 (official Porsche museum) (link)
A30 2015 Audi RS 7 Sportback: Ground clearance is 109mm, should be low (link)
A30 2013 Audi RS 6 Avant: Ground clearance is 114mm, should be low (link) - but can also be adjusted to 145mm with "air ride" so no change needed?
A30 2013 Audi RS 6 Avant: 0-60 3.7 > 3.8 (link) also note 0-62 time of 3.9s (link)
A29 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ-400: User believes the stats are incorrectly taken from the "evo viii 2003-2005 fq400 rather than the Evo X FQ-400 pictured”. Evo X FQ-400 is definitely slower - year/name/picture should probably change (link)
A26 2016 Cadillac CT6: 0-60 is too fast at 5.0s - does 0-62 in 5.7s (see Evo link) (link)
A25 2016 BMW M6: Ground clearance is 107mm, should be low (link)
A26 2015 Audi TTS Coupe: Ground clearance is 114mm, should be low (link)
A26 2012 Audi RS 5 Cabriolet: Ground clearance is 104mm, should be low (link)
A26 2001 Porsche 911 GT2: 0-60 3.9>3.8 0-60, Top Speed 196 > 194 (pdf link)
A26 1995 Porsche 911 Turbo: 0-60 4,3>3,7 (pdf link)
A25 2012 Ford Mustang BOSS 302: Should have 4 seats, not 5 (image)
A25 2017 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport: 0-60 should be 3.5, and top speed 195mph (link)
A25 2000 Audi RS 4 Avant: Ground clearance is 100mm, should be low (link)
A25 1966 Jaguar XJ13: The picture of the XJ13 is a replica. Please fix this. The rims are different. There are a line of rivets along the side air intakes on the original, and they're bigger. (Pictures in linked post) (link)
A25 2016 Porsche Boxster Spyder: 0-60 4,3>4,0 (link)
A25 2017 Porsche 718 Boxster S: Automatic did 0-60in 3.6s (currently 3.8). Note the manual does 0-60 in 4.3s. (link)
A25 2016 BMW M6: 0-60 4,2>4,0 (link)
A25 2013 BMW M6 Gran Coupe: 0-60 4,0>3,5 (link)
A24 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1: MRA should improve - 0-60 looks ok but can do a 1/4m in 11.9s (currently stock does 12.4s in game) (link)
A24 2005 BMW M5 2016: Ground clearance is 112mm, should be low (link)
A23 1999 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34): Ground clearance is 145mm, should be medium (unless it's V-spec) (pdf link)
A23 1994 Audi RS 2 Avant: Ground clearance is 100mm, should be low (link)
A23 2016 Mercedes-Benz AMG S 65 Coupe: Ground clearance is 114mm, should be low (link)
B22 2009 Ford Focus RS: Ground clearance is 99mm, should be low (link)
B22 1997 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33): Ground clearance is 173mm, should be medium (unless it's V-spec) (link)
B21 1989 Nissan Skyeline GT-R (R32): Ground clearance is 161mm, should be medium (unless it's V-spec) (link)
B21 2006 Cadillac XLR-V: Ground clearance is 168mm, should be medium (link)
B20 2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8: Mid-range should be better.. HeissRod notes that it has the same Drivetrain as the Chrysler 300 SRT-8 which currently beats it. (link to supercars.net)
C18 2012 Ford Focus ST: Incorrectly has the same stats as 2005 Ford Focust ST Superchips. Top speed should be 154mph, weight should be 1,362kg. Mid-range potentially different as well. (link)
C16 1995 Honda Integra Type R: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
C16 2004 Cadillac XLR Roadster: Ground clearance is 168mm, should be medium (link)
C16 2004 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 Coupe: The 0-60 is way too high on this car (6.2s). Car and Driver has this car hitting 0-60 in 5.1 seconds.
C16 2004 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 Coupe: The 0-60 is way too high on this car (6.2s). Car and Driver has this car hitting 0-60 in 5.1 seconds. (link)
C15 2004 Dodge SRT-4: Stats don't match model/year. Should be: For the 2004 model year (as pictured and listed on the card); HP = 230; Torque = 250; 0-60 - 5.2 seconds; Top Speed - 153 mph; Handling - should be much higher than 73. Probably about 80 or so; Height - 1.42 (link)
C15 2015 Lotus Elise 1.6: Ground clearance is 140mm, should be medium (link)
D14 1966 Fiat 124 Sport Spider: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
D14 2003 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Jeff Gordon Edition: Should be FWD (link to classiccars.com)
D14 1980 Audi quattro: Ground clearance is 115mm, should be low (link)
D13 1996 Honda Prelude Type S: Ground clearance is 145mm, should be medium (link)
D12 1988 Honda CRX VTEC: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
D11 1987 Honda Prelude 2.0Si 4WS: Ground clearance is 140mm, should be medium (link)
D11 1985 Fiat Uno Turbo: the image of the fiat uno turbo belong to the 1989-93 edition. That is not an iconic car at all, has differents specs and, cause it looks like the Fiat Tipo, was named "tipino". And is sh**t in comparison of the Uno Turbo '85. (wiki link) The correct image car for the UNO TURBO is something like this (image in linked post) (link)
D11 1962 Lotus Elan: Ground clearance is 152mm, should be medium (link)
E9 2013 Caterham Seven 270: Should have standard tires (specifically it has ZT5 tires) (link 1 link 2)
E9 2016 Honda CR-Z: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
E8 1983 Honda Civic CRX Si: Ground clearance is 160mm, should be medium (link)
F6 1991 Chevrolet Beretta GTZ: The Beretta GTZ stats are off. It does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, not 11.1. Handling should also be higher. I believe the performance stats were taken from a base car and not the GTZ. (youtube link)
F5 1991 Chevrolet Caprice: The 0-60 for the Caprice should be closer to 10 seconds (current in-game is 12.5s). Even the heavier wagon pulled off a 10.5 second run in 1991. Here's the video. (link)
F5 2016 Renault Twizy: Ground clearance is 120mm, should be medium (link)
F4 1983 Chevrolet Camaro berlinetta: 0-60 should be around 10s (currently 15s!). Here is a comparison from 1983. Click the 'Test results' box on the right of the screen for the magazine's performance results. (link)
Performance stats without links (if you want these to be prioritised, please provide links to back them up)
S30 2018 McLaren 720S: Now that the car has been released its proven to be much better. The new tested 0-60 is 2.5 seconds! And the drag times are far better then they are in game.
S28 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'56".
S29 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'47".
A29 2015 Audi RS 3 Sportback: 0-60 4,1>3,9
A28 2015 Cadillac CTS-V: all of the stats are for the next generation 2016 CTS-V. The 2015 CTS-V made 556 hp while the new 2016 CTS-V made 640 hp. (Wikipedia link)
A26 2016 BMW X5 M50d: 0-60 5,3>5,0
A25 2007 Mercedes-AMG CLK 63 Black Series: Ground clearance should be low
A25 2007 Mercedes-AMG CLK DTM: Ground clearance should be low
A24 2006 Audi S8: 0-60 4,9>5,0
A24 2016 BMW M5: 0-60 4,3>3,7
A23 1996 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IV: In evo 4 they place new AYC (Active Yaw Control) aka traction. Later models have SAYC (Super Active Yaw Control). In game they lack traction control.
B22 2016 Cadillac XT5: 0-60 6,6>6,5
B22 2016 Vauxhall Maloo R8 LSA: Maloo should be faster (we have 0-100 in 11.3s, player quotes 0-100 in 9.3s). Tried to find sources but couldn't.
B22 1997 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33): R32 skyline beats R33 in long drags. It's helped me a ton, but it's silly. (Implication is MRA of R33 is too weak, or possibly R32 is too strong).
B22 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS Coupe: Ride height set at Medium (should be low, compared to the Camaro SS Convertible (same height?) Not sure which is correct.
B21 2012 Chevrolet Camaro Convertible: Ride height set to low (should be same as above as the Height is the same for both cars)
B21 1993 Audi S2 Coupe: 0-60/top 5,5>5,8 154>150
B21 2000 BMW Z8: 0-60 4,5>4,1
B19 1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS: MRA is too slow
B19 2014 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: 0-60 6,8>6,5
C18 2011 Cadillac Escalade: 0-60 6,3>7,0
C17 1999 Audi S6: wrong stats, currently Has a motor from C4 model 1994. 1999 model has 4.2 V8 engine with 344 hp, ingame model using 2.2 turbo 230 hp, same engine like Audi S2 use
C17 1992 Porsche 968: 0-60 6,2>5,8
C16 2008 Subaru Forester: Body style is currently 'estate', should be SUV (also true of the other Subaru Foresters)
C15 1993 Nissan 200SX: Ground clearance 5.7in/145mm - should be medium
C15 1979 Porsche 924 Turbo: 0-60 7,3>6,9 s
C15 1978 Jaguar XJ-S Trans-Am: Handling of 75 seems too low, especially compared to similar vehicles i-game
D14 1980 Audi Quattro: 0-60 6,6>6,8
D12 2002 BMW Turbo: 7,3>6,6
D11 1989 BMW Z1: 0-60 7,8>9,0
D11 2000 Chevrolet Blazer: The Blazer should have all surface tires. It’s a true body on frame SUV with a two speed transfer case. (currently has Standard tires)
D11 1982 Porsche 944: 0-60 8,0>8,2 s
E10 1976 Porsche 924: 0-60 9,1>11,6 s
E10 1977 BMW 728i: 0-60 8,7>8,5
E10 2016 Nissan Qashquai: Handling of 77 seems too high, especially compared to similar vehicles in-game
E7 1969 Porsche 914: 0-60 12,3>13,7 s
E7 1971 Mazda RX-3: Ground clearance looks like it should be medium
F3 1980 Cadillac Seville: Cadillac seville 0-60 13,2>10,5
S29 2017 Porsche Macan Turbo S Performance Pack: there is no turbo S Macan.... this should be Macan Turbo performance pack
S27 2016 Mercedes-AMG GT3: Picture is actually of SLS GT3
A30 2013 Audi S8 plus: Not actually released until 2015
A25 2016 Jaguar F-Type Convertible: Image is silver, in-game model is red
A24 2015 Mercedes CLS 400: The Mercedes CLS 400 has a picture of a Mercedes CLS 63 AMG
A24 2006 Mercedes-AMG E 63: "this Mercedes E 63 AMG is a 2006 when the design shown in the picture looks like a 2010 model."
A24 2012 Mercedes-AMG C 63: Wrong picture, in-game shows W205 model, the correct one is W204 facelift.
A24 2012 Mercedes-AMG C 63: Weight should be 1655 kg.
A23 2003 Mercedes-AMG E 55: Wrong pic - looks like a 1999 model
A23 2001 Chevrolet Z06: Wrong pic - shows a regular C5, not the C5 Z06
A23 2005 Chevrolet Corvette Z06: Wrong pic - this is a ZR1
A23 2009 Mercedes-AMG S 63: Wrong picture, in-game shows W222 model, the correct one is W221 facelift
A23 2017 Chevrolet Camaro SS: The HP and torque of this camaro are correct but the picture and weight is of the 2015 version not the 2017, the weight should be 1671kg not 1783kg
B20 1993 Subaru Impreza WRX: The Subaru WRX STI's card lists the year as 1993 yet the picture shows a 1999 model.
B19 1999 Mercedes-Benz E 430: Weight should be 1650kg instead of 1580kg (Claimed EU version)
B19 1998 BMW 540i: Either picture or year is wrong... "The BMW 540i come in September 1992. Until September 1992 the top model from the E34 line was the 535 with a 6 cylinder. The 530i and the 540i with 8 cylinder come with the facelift in September 1992"
C18 2016 Infiniti QX50: Wrong pic - pic shows an EX-37
C18 1999 Honda S2000: Wrong pic - shows the newer version of the S2000
C18 1981 Chevrolet Corvette ZR2: Should be 1971. (link to Superchevy.com)
C17 1997 Volvo 850 AWD: stats are correct, but the image is wrong (it shows a 1992/1993 GLT model). The correct image should be a 850 station wagon (that was the only 850 that came in AWD form). Also: "Current picture shows a 1992 sedan 850. All AWD 850s were wagons and had the later facelift (1994-1997)."
C16 1984 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z: The IROC-Z didn’t appear until 1985. The year and specs associated with this card would suggest the 1984 Camaro Z/28. The image and name need to be corrected.
C16 2016 Subaru Outback: The photo is of the previous generation model. (example in post)
C16 2016 Subaru Outback: Wrong pic - it shows the 2008 model
C15 1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS 454: Incorrect image
D13 2016 Ford Focus ST TDCi Estate: this pic should be a facelift model
D12 1996 Citroen Saxo VTS 16V: "The Citroen Saxo is wrong as the year is 1996 and the photo is of a MK2 version that came out in 1999 onwards."
D10 1992 Renault Safrane Biturbo: Wrong picture, see link for correct pic (link)
E10 1976 Porsche 924: image is of a 924 Turbo, not a regular 924. The offset hood scoop and extra grille intakes in the bumper are of a turbo model.
E9 2011 Chevrolet Aveo: Picture is actually of a Chevrolet Sonic
E8 1978 Ford Capri 3.0 S: incorrect picture. Depicted is a more modern Capri 2.8i, recognizable by alloys, side mirrors in a chassis paintjob and a thin red line on side of the car. The 3 litre in S spec had "S" vinyl sticker on lower part of it's side and classic "daisy" alloys.
F6 1981 Ford Fiesta XR2: "The Ford Fiesta xr2 is the wrong year. I told them about this before the update as they had the year as a MK3 Fiesta xr2i but a photo of a MK2 xr2. Now they have gone wrong the other way and have the year as a MK1 xr2 instead of a MK2 xr2 that it is."
F4 1993 Suzuki Wagon R: Wrong pic - this is a 2010 Wagon R
F4 1997 Mercedes-Benz A 160: Wrong pic - card says 1997, but the pic is a newer model
Rejected corrections (by Hutch or countered by players)
S28 2003 Porsche Carrera GT (prize car): In real life the Porsche Carrera GT has no traction control. Traction control cited here.
A24 2015 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S: Should be 4WD. Rejected because RWD version exists and that's what we chose to use.
S27 2007 Porsche 911 GT2: in game 911 gt2 2007 stats = 3,4 0-60 and 204 top real life 911 gt2 2007 stats = 3,8 0-60 and 204 top. 3.4s is correct
S27 2004 Ford GT: Should be 2005 not 2004 The year is fine. The GT was sold from 2004 to 2006 (link)