@Hutch_Tim why did Hutch believe that this prize car should be awarded less than others generally?

At the end of this series I estimate there will be fewer than half of the ZR1 going around than say, the Dodge Demon.

I say this, because we have already filtered out the majority of the players enroute to the final. Of the final (in Asia less than 10% seems to have made it through), only 8% will get the car.

In comparison to a usual final that is about 1% vs 2.5-3% average (because finals usually open between 4 and 6 brackets in Asia)

General number of active players in Asian final has been consistently circling the 2000 player mark. Which means 32-48 cars. This time we get 16.

I can't comment on other regions but I feel confident that top 20 would've awarded a similar number of prize cars as per usual. This format with the adjustment has made this car much rarer. Please explain why this is hutch's intention?

@Hutch_Tim why did Hutch believe that this prize car should be awarded less than others generally?

At the end of this series I estimate there will be fewer than half of the ZR1 going around than say, the Dodge Demon.

I say this, because we have already filtered out the majority of the players enroute to the final. Of the final (in Asia less than 10% seems to have made it through), only 8% will get the car.

In comparison to a usual final that is about 1% vs 2.5-3% average (because finals usually open between 4 and 6 brackets in Asia)

So Asia should continue to have easy brackets because it's had them in the past?

In Europe a normal final can be assumed to be close to the 8 in 500 (1.6%) multiplied by whatever percentage of players can enter.

So for a fairly tricky to enter final like the Demon one that required AD x5, Chevrolet x4 there might be 30-70% of the player base entering. Let's say 50%. So the dodge demon final gave out the prize car to around 0.8% of total players, compared to your figure of 1% of total players for the ZR1.

@Hutch_Tim why did Hutch believe that this prize car should be awarded less than others generally?

At the end of this series I estimate there will be fewer than half of the ZR1 going around than say, the Dodge Demon.

I say this, because we have already filtered out the majority of the players enroute to the final. Of the final (in Asia less than 10% seems to have made it through), only 8% will get the car.

In comparison to a usual final that is about 1% vs 2.5-3% average (because finals usually open between 4 and 6 brackets in Asia)

So Asia should continue to have easy brackets because it's had them in the past?

In Europe a normal final can be assumed to be close to the 8 in 500 (1.6%) multiplied by whatever percentage of players can enter.

So for a fairly tricky to enter final like the Demon one that required AD x5, Chevrolet x4 there might be 30-70% of the player base entering. Let's say 50%. So the dodge demon final gave out the prize car to around 0.8% of total players, compared to your figure of 1% of total players for the ZR1.

The thing is that 1% of our total players are the same 1% for every single event. So after every event for the lack of a better word, the “whales” on our server become stronger and thus widening the gap between the haves and have nots. We don’t call our server, the “Server of death” for nothing. It is very much dominated by the same small group of individuals for every event and due to the very reason that you mention, our small player base, we can’t avoid them. We spend half our potential playing time trying to wait for brackets to close so we can get a shot at T1 or T2 and even then we have the usual late join whales that take the prizes, thats not particularly healthy for the game or for any new rq150s who don’t know what they’re walking into. At least in the US or EU, with a larger spread of players you got a hope of making your 0.8% for any particular event. And if your hand is complete toilet you get the chance of late joining and very likely hitting a new bracket, our brackets don’t even close. Think about that? We can’t even scab a prize car with a crappy hand even if our life depended it on in. So then how does that make our AS brackets easier? You debate numbers and statistics and think we got it good, but you don’t understand what actually happens in our brackets that make us so frustrated every event. Come play with us for a month and see for yourself.

The thing is that 1% of our total players are the same 1% for every single event. So after every event for the lack of a better word, the “whales” on our server become stronger and thus widening the gap between the haves and have nots. We don’t call our server, the “Server of death” for nothing. It is very much dominated by the same small group of individuals for every event and due to the very reason that you mention, our small player base, we can’t avoid them. We spend half our potential playing time trying to wait for brackets to close so we can get a shot at T1 or T2 and even then we have the usual late join whales that take the prizes, thats not particularly healthy for the game or for any new rq150s who don’t know what they’re walking into. At least in the US or EU, with a larger spread of players you got a hope of making your 0.8% for any particular event. And if your hand is complete toilet you get the chance of late joining and very likely hitting a new bracket, our brackets don’t even close. Think about that? We can’t even scab a prize car with a crappy hand even if our life depended it on in. So then how does that make our AS brackets easier? You debate numbers and statistics and think we got it good, but you don’t understand what actually happens in our brackets that make us so frustrated every event. Come play with us for a month and see for yourself.

As someone who has played for over a year on Europe, qualified for this finals with an extra rover to spare, has well over 500 cars, 15k+ trophies and yet has never even come close to a prize car I'm in exactly the same situation you are.

The elite group in Europe may be big enough that they don't all recognise each other, and maybe slightly vague around the edges from sheer size but how many posts do you see about people legitimately winning their first prize car on any server? Very, very few.

The thing is that 1% of our total players are the same 1% for every single event. So after every event for the lack of a better word, the “whales” on our server become stronger and thus widening the gap between the haves and have nots. We don’t call our server, the “Server of death” for nothing. It is very much dominated by the same small group of individuals for every event and due to the very reason that you mention, our small player base, we can’t avoid them. We spend half our potential playing time trying to wait for brackets to close so we can get a shot at T1 or T2 and even then we have the usual late join whales that take the prizes, thats not particularly healthy for the game or for any new rq150s who don’t know what they’re walking into. At least in the US or EU, with a larger spread of players you got a hope of making your 0.8% for any particular event. And if your hand is complete toilet you get the chance of late joining and very likely hitting a new bracket, our brackets don’t even close. Think about that? We can’t even scab a prize car with a crappy hand even if our life depended it on in. So then how does that make our AS brackets easier? You debate numbers and statistics and think we got it good, but you don’t understand what actually happens in our brackets that make us so frustrated every event. Come play with us for a month and see for yourself.

As someone who has played for over a year on Europe, qualified for this finals with an extra rover to spare, has well over 500 cars, 15k+ trophies and yet has never even come close to a prize car I'm in exactly the same situation you are.

The elite group in Europe may be big enough that they don't all recognise each other, and maybe slightly vague around the edges from sheer size but how many posts do you see about people legitimately winning their first prize car on any server? Very, very few.

Fair point, they are very hard to get, and that adds to the prestige of winning one. I do feel for those that play on EU as I’ve tried it a couple times and it is brutally competitive. Please don’t misconstrue my point that we want it easy, we just want to be treated equally with our EU and US counterparts and not be the after thought that we always are. If Hutch’s logic worked out that EU and US get double prize cars then the same logic should have applied to AS as well. Not that I think that would be particularly fair for the EU or US. As it is we don’t get equal, we get the opposite.

...when we saw how brutal the qualifying process proved, it really left us with two choices: 1) Leave T1 as 20 out of 500 2) Reduce bracket size and increase % getting T1

We saw the implications of each choice as follows:

1) Leave T1 as 20 out of 500 - It's the most brutal Final ever; someone strong enough to make T1 in a regular final could have struggled to make T3 - Brackets would fill extremely unevenly. E.g. 600 people in one region might fill 1 bracket and then leave only 100 in the next. (I hadn't actually thought about Asia when we were debating this, but the same thing applies) - The result of these two factors together meant that your chance of making T1 would have been far more down to when you entered and which server you entered than how good your Motorsport hand is. I guess VPN'ing would have increased. + ... but we would have kept to our word

2) Reduce bracket size and increase % getting T1 + Brackets are (on average) more equally filled, so it's fairer + It's still probably the most brutal Final ever in terms of competition for the prize car, but less so than option (1) + The total number of ZR1s given out is higher, closer to our original intent - People who don't understand percentages, or who assumed the final would have brackets of 100, would feel disappointed - ... and we would have done something different to what we said we would, which we like to avoid doing.

We knew we would get complaints either way, but given the situation, we felt overall that option (2) was fairer, truer to the intent of the event, and would overall be more popular.

@Hutch_Tim ; Apart from the bit about it being a particularly brutal qualifying process I struggle to see how any of these points apply to the Asian server at all.

hadn't actually thought about Asia when we were debating this, but the same thing applies

Simply untrue. Brackets of 100 will likely no more fill than ones of 500 unless a whole lot of players vpn in under foolish misapprehension that AS brackets might be easier. In fact many top players regularly vpn out of AS for finals to give themselves a chance. And if two brackets of 100 do fill the 2nd gen brackets will have so few in them and the ZR1 awarded to late joiners with weak hands that it just makes a mockery of the whole game.

Total number of ZR1 given out in this region will (most likely) be less and so not closer to your claimed original intent. And that is the case even with 2nd gen brackets in which scenario you award a further 16 ZR1 to the weakest qualifiers who saw their only hope in a late opening bracket.

It really does feel like you are not paying any regard at all to players in this part of the world. I am feeling somewhat discouraged and it appears I am not the only one.

@Hutch_Tim why did Hutch believe that this prize car should be awarded less than others generally?

At the end of this series I estimate there will be fewer than half of the ZR1 going around than say, the Dodge Demon.

I say this, because we have already filtered out the majority of the players enroute to the final. Of the final (in Asia less than 10% seems to have made it through), only 8% will get the car.

In comparison to a usual final that is about 1% vs 2.5-3% average (because finals usually open between 4 and 6 brackets in Asia)

So Asia should continue to have easy brackets because it's had them in the past?

In Europe a normal final can be assumed to be close to the 8 in 500 (1.6%) multiplied by whatever percentage of players can enter.

So for a fairly tricky to enter final like the Demon one that required AD x5, Chevrolet x4 there might be 30-70% of the player base entering. Let's say 50%. So the dodge demon final gave out the prize car to around 0.8% of total players, compared to your figure of 1% of total players for the ZR1.

I think you may be misunderstanding me here. I am not asking for Asia, or anywhere to be given easier grouping.

These numbers apply to the entire player base.

We have already filtered out 90% of players during the Q and C rounds of this series.

Of the remaining 10% (which are all the strongest players), only 8% will win the car. That means, through this series, the top 0.8% win the ZR1, compared to 1.6% in a normal final. EU got cheated out of half the cars too.

Now in Asia, we never have it easy. Believe me I am not concerned with the number of whales. I know EU has them too.

The issue here is exactly the same. We normally have 4 brackets, with 32 cars given. This event we won't go past 2 that means 16 cars handed out.

Again, half the usual. I used Asia region numbers because that's what I take part in and can use appropriate data. I don't know bracket numbers for EU or US, but percentages wise it is the same. We are all losing out.

In the Plymouth classifiers I had a hard time, even though I had a garage with 500 cars, being 21 legendary, 37 epic ... Analyzing that. I had already closed my hope of the ZR1, in fact the cars that I really found important I already have. Rover and SuperBird, properly completed.

The ZR1 would be in the dusty garage along with 911 GT3 RS 4.0, Catheram 620R. Ford GT 2005 among others.

@Hutch_Tim why did Hutch believe that this prize car should be awarded less than others generally?

At the end of this series I estimate there will be fewer than half of the ZR1 going around than say, the Dodge Demon.

I say this, because we have already filtered out the majority of the players enroute to the final. Of the final (in Asia less than 10% seems to have made it through), only 8% will get the car.

In comparison to a usual final that is about 1% vs 2.5-3% average (because finals usually open between 4 and 6 brackets in Asia)

So Asia should continue to have easy brackets because it's had them in the past?

In Europe a normal final can be assumed to be close to the 8 in 500 (1.6%) multiplied by whatever percentage of players can enter.

So for a fairly tricky to enter final like the Demon one that required AD x5, Chevrolet x4 there might be 30-70% of the player base entering. Let's say 50%. So the dodge demon final gave out the prize car to around 0.8% of total players, compared to your figure of 1% of total players for the ZR1.

I think you may be misunderstanding me here. I am not asking for Asia, or anywhere to be given easier grouping.

These numbers apply to the entire player base.

We have already filtered out 90% of players during the Q and C rounds of this series.

Of the remaining 10% (which are all the strongest players), only 8% will win the car. That means, through this series, the top 0.8% win the ZR1, compared to 1.6% in a normal final. EU got cheated out of half the cars too.

Now in Asia, we never have it easy. Believe me I am not concerned with the number of whales. I know EU has them too.

The issue here is exactly the same. We normally have 4 brackets, with 32 cars given. This event we won't go past 2 that means 16 cars handed out.

Again, half the usual. I used Asia region numbers because that's what I take part in and can use appropriate data. I don't know bracket numbers for EU or US, but percentages wise it is the same. We are all losing out.

I totally agree with your point of view on the Asian brackets but I’m pretty sure the way it’s worked out more prize cars will be awarded to EU players with the restructuring of the event than if it had remained at 20/500. It’s a bit of a guess but I’d say about 1700 EU players qualified for the final, that would have been 4 brackets equaling 80 prize cars, now there’s 17 brackets equaling 136. My maths is pretty rubbish though so someone might prove me totally wrong.

@Hutch_Tim why did Hutch believe that this prize car should be awarded less than others generally?

At the end of this series I estimate there will be fewer than half of the ZR1 going around than say, the Dodge Demon.

I say this, because we have already filtered out the majority of the players enroute to the final. Of the final (in Asia less than 10% seems to have made it through), only 8% will get the car.

In comparison to a usual final that is about 1% vs 2.5-3% average (because finals usually open between 4 and 6 brackets in Asia)

So Asia should continue to have easy brackets because it's had them in the past?

In Europe a normal final can be assumed to be close to the 8 in 500 (1.6%) multiplied by whatever percentage of players can enter.

So for a fairly tricky to enter final like the Demon one that required AD x5, Chevrolet x4 there might be 30-70% of the player base entering. Let's say 50%. So the dodge demon final gave out the prize car to around 0.8% of total players, compared to your figure of 1% of total players for the ZR1.

I think you may be misunderstanding me here. I am not asking for Asia, or anywhere to be given easier grouping.

These numbers apply to the entire player base.

We have already filtered out 90% of players during the Q and C rounds of this series.

Of the remaining 10% (which are all the strongest players), only 8% will win the car. That means, through this series, the top 0.8% win the ZR1, compared to 1.6% in a normal final. EU got cheated out of half the cars too.

Now in Asia, we never have it easy. Believe me I am not concerned with the number of whales. I know EU has them too.

The issue here is exactly the same. We normally have 4 brackets, with 32 cars given. This event we won't go past 2 that means 16 cars handed out.

Again, half the usual. I used Asia region numbers because that's what I take part in and can use appropriate data. I don't know bracket numbers for EU or US, but percentages wise it is the same. We are all losing out.

I totally agree with your point of view on the Asian brackets but I’m pretty sure the way it’s worked out more prize cars will be awarded to EU players with the restructuring of the event than if it had remained at 20/500. It’s a bit of a guess but I’d say about 1700 EU players qualified for the final, that would have been 4 brackets equaling 80 prize cars, now there’s 17 brackets equaling 136. My maths is pretty rubbish though so someone might prove me totally wrong.

Nothing against you guys for getting more prize cars. Completely fine with us from AS. We just don’t want to suffer when the goal posts get changed. You guys got a good deal and that makes sense. It just didn’t translated well for AS when they changed it, not equal, but worse. Anyways I think you’ve heard enough of me. I’ll leave it there. Hutch can sort it how they want in future events, hopefully fair for all servers

@Hutch_Tim why did Hutch believe that this prize car should be awarded less than others generally?

At the end of this series I estimate there will be fewer than half of the ZR1 going around than say, the Dodge Demon.

I say this, because we have already filtered out the majority of the players enroute to the final. Of the final (in Asia less than 10% seems to have made it through), only 8% will get the car.

In comparison to a usual final that is about 1% vs 2.5-3% average (because finals usually open between 4 and 6 brackets in Asia)

So Asia should continue to have easy brackets because it's had them in the past?

In Europe a normal final can be assumed to be close to the 8 in 500 (1.6%) multiplied by whatever percentage of players can enter.

So for a fairly tricky to enter final like the Demon one that required AD x5, Chevrolet x4 there might be 30-70% of the player base entering. Let's say 50%. So the dodge demon final gave out the prize car to around 0.8% of total players, compared to your figure of 1% of total players for the ZR1.

I think you may be misunderstanding me here. I am not asking for Asia, or anywhere to be given easier grouping.

These numbers apply to the entire player base.

We have already filtered out 90% of players during the Q and C rounds of this series.

Of the remaining 10% (which are all the strongest players), only 8% will win the car. That means, through this series, the top 0.8% win the ZR1, compared to 1.6% in a normal final. EU got cheated out of half the cars too.

Now in Asia, we never have it easy. Believe me I am not concerned with the number of whales. I know EU has them too.

The issue here is exactly the same. We normally have 4 brackets, with 32 cars given. This event we won't go past 2 that means 16 cars handed out.

Again, half the usual. I used Asia region numbers because that's what I take part in and can use appropriate data. I don't know bracket numbers for EU or US, but percentages wise it is the same. We are all losing out.

I totally agree with your point of view on the Asian brackets but I’m pretty sure the way it’s worked out more prize cars will be awarded to EU players with the restructuring of the event than if it had remained at 20/500. It’s a bit of a guess but I’d say about 1700 EU players qualified for the final, that would have been 4 brackets equaling 80 prize cars, now there’s 17 brackets equaling 136. My maths is pretty rubbish though so someone might prove me totally wrong.

For EU, and US also probably, the way the format has been altered from the original 20/500, to 8/100 is better.

However, the 20/500 in this final is worse than the 8/500 in a regular final. Because you're probably all grouped into 30% of the regular number of brackets opened.

You guys are probably getting around 70% of the number of prize cars you would usually get, and Asia is getting around 50% (Our smaller player base exasperates the problem, but it is the same problem all over).

These are rough numbers, cos I don't track EU data. They are there to show that although the altered format from the original post regarding the ZR1 finals is improved for EU and US, it is actually still worse than a regular final.

@Hutch_Tim why did Hutch believe that this prize car should be awarded less than others generally?

At the end of this series I estimate there will be fewer than half of the ZR1 going around than say, the Dodge Demon.

I say this, because we have already filtered out the majority of the players enroute to the final. Of the final (in Asia less than 10% seems to have made it through), only 8% will get the car.

In comparison to a usual final that is about 1% vs 2.5-3% average (because finals usually open between 4 and 6 brackets in Asia)

So Asia should continue to have easy brackets because it's had them in the past?

In Europe a normal final can be assumed to be close to the 8 in 500 (1.6%) multiplied by whatever percentage of players can enter.

So for a fairly tricky to enter final like the Demon one that required AD x5, Chevrolet x4 there might be 30-70% of the player base entering. Let's say 50%. So the dodge demon final gave out the prize car to around 0.8% of total players, compared to your figure of 1% of total players for the ZR1.

I think you may be misunderstanding me here. I am not asking for Asia, or anywhere to be given easier grouping.

These numbers apply to the entire player base.

We have already filtered out 90% of players during the Q and C rounds of this series.

Of the remaining 10% (which are all the strongest players), only 8% will win the car. That means, through this series, the top 0.8% win the ZR1, compared to 1.6% in a normal final. EU got cheated out of half the cars too.

Now in Asia, we never have it easy. Believe me I am not concerned with the number of whales. I know EU has them too.

The issue here is exactly the same. We normally have 4 brackets, with 32 cars given. This event we won't go past 2 that means 16 cars handed out.

Again, half the usual. I used Asia region numbers because that's what I take part in and can use appropriate data. I don't know bracket numbers for EU or US, but percentages wise it is the same. We are all losing out.

I totally agree with your point of view on the Asian brackets but I’m pretty sure the way it’s worked out more prize cars will be awarded to EU players with the restructuring of the event than if it had remained at 20/500. It’s a bit of a guess but I’d say about 1700 EU players qualified for the final, that would have been 4 brackets equaling 80 prize cars, now there’s 17 brackets equaling 136. My maths is pretty rubbish though so someone might prove me totally wrong.

For EU, and US also probably, the way the format has been altered from the original 20/500, to 8/100 is better.

However, the 20/500 in this final is worse than the 8/500 in a regular final. Because you're probably all grouped into 30% of the regular number of brackets opened.

You guys are probably getting around 70% of the number of prize cars you would usually get, and Asia is getting around 50% (Our smaller player base exasperates the problem, but it is the same problem all over).

These are rough numbers, cos I don't track EU data. They are there to show that although the altered format from the original post regarding the ZR1 finals is improved for EU and US, it is actually still worse than a regular final.

It’s all a bit guess work as we don’t get to see the data but I think this will be the most awarded prize car in a long time on the EU, usually there are about 12 final brackets at most, obviously they are 500 brackets, so that’s 96 compared to the 136 this time around.

@Hutch_Tim why did Hutch believe that this prize car should be awarded less than others generally?

At the end of this series I estimate there will be fewer than half of the ZR1 going around than say, the Dodge Demon.

I say this, because we have already filtered out the majority of the players enroute to the final. Of the final (in Asia less than 10% seems to have made it through), only 8% will get the car.

In comparison to a usual final that is about 1% vs 2.5-3% average (because finals usually open between 4 and 6 brackets in Asia)

So Asia should continue to have easy brackets because it's had them in the past?

In Europe a normal final can be assumed to be close to the 8 in 500 (1.6%) multiplied by whatever percentage of players can enter.

So for a fairly tricky to enter final like the Demon one that required AD x5, Chevrolet x4 there might be 30-70% of the player base entering. Let's say 50%. So the dodge demon final gave out the prize car to around 0.8% of total players, compared to your figure of 1% of total players for the ZR1.

I think you may be misunderstanding me here. I am not asking for Asia, or anywhere to be given easier grouping.

These numbers apply to the entire player base.

We have already filtered out 90% of players during the Q and C rounds of this series.

Of the remaining 10% (which are all the strongest players), only 8% will win the car. That means, through this series, the top 0.8% win the ZR1, compared to 1.6% in a normal final. EU got cheated out of half the cars too.

Now in Asia, we never have it easy. Believe me I am not concerned with the number of whales. I know EU has them too.

The issue here is exactly the same. We normally have 4 brackets, with 32 cars given. This event we won't go past 2 that means 16 cars handed out.

Again, half the usual. I used Asia region numbers because that's what I take part in and can use appropriate data. I don't know bracket numbers for EU or US, but percentages wise it is the same. We are all losing out.

I totally agree with your point of view on the Asian brackets but I’m pretty sure the way it’s worked out more prize cars will be awarded to EU players with the restructuring of the event than if it had remained at 20/500. It’s a bit of a guess but I’d say about 1700 EU players qualified for the final, that would have been 4 brackets equaling 80 prize cars, now there’s 17 brackets equaling 136. My maths is pretty rubbish though so someone might prove me totally wrong.

For EU, and US also probably, the way the format has been altered from the original 20/500, to 8/100 is better.

However, the 20/500 in this final is worse than the 8/500 in a regular final. Because you're probably all grouped into 30% of the regular number of brackets opened.

You guys are probably getting around 70% of the number of prize cars you would usually get, and Asia is getting around 50% (Our smaller player base exasperates the problem, but it is the same problem all over).

These are rough numbers, cos I don't track EU data. They are there to show that although the altered format from the original post regarding the ZR1 finals is improved for EU and US, it is actually still worse than a regular final.

I agree. It would be really helpful to understand how many people entered at least one of the Smart events, and then how many got through to the Rover events. I would be amazed if the attrition rate was less than 90% from the original entry pool to the Smart events, in which case the chances of winning the ZR1 are potentially statistically lower than a standard final.

My frustration here stems from the way that this was communicated, versus how it actually now works. My presumption was that this would be a halfway measure between a standard event and the Moby Dick event, in that getting over the first two hurdles would give you a much greater probability of winning the ZR1. Instead, you just end up in a brutal bracket full of whales, where the standard “No Prize Cars” criteria is adopted even though the very nature of the event means that those who would be disadvantaged by prize cars being used have mostly been eliminated already. I’m no whale but have been lucky enough to win the 787B, FQ-400 and 22B, all of which could have helped me in the final, but even those are excluded.

This is format was shaping up to be a really refreshing change, but instead it’s ended up being an even more tiresome grind than normal.

Hey guys! Will you provide any statistics after event? How much players participated, how much dropped after first/second round. How much players won ZR1, etc. Maybe some personall stats, like who got more points in all events in series, etc.

It would be super nice to have such info.

This event was the most and maybe the only exciting thing during this year, I hope there would be more marketing around.

do I need to VPN just before enter event? or I should. play all the time with VPN on

Start the VPN in the server you want ( mostly you can choose 1 european, 1 asian and 1 american at least for the free VPN apps). After you have connection, enter the event, and most of the time you land in the wished corner of the world. After you entered, you can switch VPN off, you will stay in that bracket for the rest of the event.

This event was the most and maybe the only exciting thing during this year, I hope there would be more marketing around.

Agree! Although I spent alot of gold on tickets (2000gold) to win the prize car this event was awesome with it's hard competition. All previous prize cars events once you enter the finals you know you will win or lose and get bored after seconds of entering, but this event was great with the Q and C events and the final pro circuits event. Thank you Hutch and sorry for everyone who didn't make it

So to sum this up at a high level, with a little rounding:

- Participation in the Final was about 7.5x lower than an average Final (as it was harder to qualify) - Prizes were given to top 8% instead of 1.6%, which is 5x as many as usual - Due to unfilled leaderboards, the ZR1 went to a little over 10% of finalists in total (this makes much less difference in a normal final) - Overall about 90% as many ZR1s were given out as an average Tri-Series Final - For context, over the last year, the 4 lowest-participation finals gave out an average of 50% as many prize cars as the average Tri-Series Final

I personally really enjoys this format with quickfire qualifying events. However when it gets to the end there is NO bleeding way whales can be avoided. Take my bracket, Eric Shih and another guy dominated the leaderboards. Also, this motorsport tag is very arbitrary. Does this tag apply to cars that have been inspired by motorsport, or built for homologation? Or is it built as a racing car? I personally think that race cars should be banned from this game because of their extraordinary performance. The 917K has incredible mid-range that no others have and the 962C has great cornering capabilities. I also find it strange that you only add Porsche race cars (I admit, 1 Merc as well) and completely close the doors for competitive racing from racing cars that were designed to take on the 962 or the 917, for example Lola cars or the Jaguar XJR-9. As you said, the participation rate for this is very low, since not a lot of people have won the prizes in order to get into the final. For all our hard work, I think there should be a pack exclusively given out at events that award at least an epic that cannot be opened otherwise instead of the Carbon Fibre. What I got was a poultry RQ19 Outlander that is going to be demoted next update. I sincerely wish that these events do return soon and I want to see what these events can bring. Maybe I'll use a VPN next time.

The reticence to release any actual numbers leads me to believe we are talking very low levels of participation. Surely if there were hundreds of thousands/millions then Hutch would happily come out declaring how brilliant participation in the game is. Instead we're now being handed percentages. I guess there is a fear of rats abandoning the sinking ship if it was revealed there were only actually 2,000 players in the finals and therefore less than 200 total ZR1s in game.

I would have struggled to make top 200 in old style....no legendaries no Evo above the VIII FQ 340 which is only at 3-3-3 so more than happy with the format got the Merc and a carbon pack

It was good fun and a much welcome change in format. I didn’t think the final was very competitive - I was stuck around 50th most of the time, and maybe shorten some of the qualifiers, but overall it’s all positive!

just need to change my pack luck please (in a good way )

## Comments

2,057✭✭✭✭✭At the end of this series I estimate there will be fewer than half of the ZR1 going around than say, the Dodge Demon.

I say this, because we have already filtered out the majority of the players enroute to the final. Of the final (in Asia less than 10% seems to have made it through), only 8% will get the car.

In comparison to a usual final that is about 1% vs 2.5-3% average (because finals usually open between 4 and 6 brackets in Asia)

General number of active players in Asian final has been consistently circling the 2000 player mark. Which means 32-48 cars. This time we get 16.

I can't comment on other regions but I feel confident that top 20 would've awarded a similar number of prize cars as per usual. This format with the adjustment has made this car much rarer. Please explain why this is hutch's intention?

805✭✭✭✭✭Tim said that they haven't thought about Asia.

2,057✭✭✭✭✭I reckon global # of prizes cars will be lower, not only in Asia

501✭✭✭In Europe a normal final can be assumed to be close to the 8 in 500 (1.6%) multiplied by whatever percentage of players can enter.

So for a fairly tricky to enter final like the Demon one that required AD x5, Chevrolet x4 there might be 30-70% of the player base entering. Let's say 50%. So the dodge demon final gave out the prize car to around 0.8% of total players, compared to your figure of 1% of total players for the ZR1.

685✭✭✭✭✭805✭✭✭✭✭501✭✭✭The elite group in Europe may be big enough that they don't all recognise each other, and maybe slightly vague around the edges from sheer size but how many posts do you see about people legitimately winning their first prize car on any server? Very, very few.

685✭✭✭✭✭345✭✭✭✭Total number of ZR1 given out in this region will (most likely) be less and so not closer to your claimed original intent. And that is the case even with 2nd gen brackets in which scenario you award a further 16 ZR1 to the weakest qualifiers who saw their only hope in a late opening bracket.

It really does feel like you are not paying any regard at all to players in this part of the world. I am feeling somewhat discouraged and it appears I am not the only one.

2,057✭✭✭✭✭I think you may be misunderstanding me here. I am not asking for Asia, or anywhere to be given easier grouping.

These numbers apply to the entire player base.

We have already filtered out 90% of players during the Q and C rounds of this series.

Of the remaining 10% (which are all the strongest players), only 8% will win the car. That means, through this series, the top 0.8% win the ZR1, compared to 1.6% in a normal final. EU got cheated out of half the cars too.

Now in Asia, we never have it easy. Believe me I am not concerned with the number of whales. I know EU has them too.

The issue here is exactly the same. We normally have 4 brackets, with 32 cars given. This event we won't go past 2 that means 16 cars handed out.

Again, half the usual. I used Asia region numbers because that's what I take part in and can use appropriate data. I don't know bracket numbers for EU or US, but percentages wise it is the same. We are all losing out.

369✭✭✭2,554✭✭✭✭✭It’s a bit of a guess but I’d say about 1700 EU players qualified for the final, that would have been 4 brackets equaling 80 prize cars, now there’s 17 brackets equaling 136.

My maths is pretty rubbish though so someone might prove me totally wrong.

685✭✭✭✭✭2,057✭✭✭✭✭For EU, and US also probably, the way the format has been altered from the original 20/500, to 8/100 is better.

However, the 20/500 in this final is worse than the 8/500 in a regular final. Because you're probably all grouped into 30% of the regular number of brackets opened.

You guys are probably getting around 70% of the number of prize cars you would usually get, and Asia is getting around 50% (Our smaller player base exasperates the problem, but it is the same problem all over).

These are rough numbers, cos I don't track EU data. They are there to show that although the altered format from the original post regarding the ZR1 finals is improved for EU and US, it is actually still worse than a regular final.

2,554✭✭✭✭✭889✭✭✭✭✭My frustration here stems from the way that this was communicated, versus how it actually now works. My presumption was that this would be a halfway measure between a standard event and the Moby Dick event, in that getting over the first two hurdles would give you a much greater probability of winning the ZR1. Instead, you just end up in a brutal bracket full of whales, where the standard “No Prize Cars” criteria is adopted even though the very nature of the event means that those who would be disadvantaged by prize cars being used have mostly been eliminated already. I’m no whale but have been lucky enough to win the 787B, FQ-400 and 22B, all of which could have helped me in the final, but even those are excluded.

This is format was shaping up to be a really refreshing change, but instead it’s ended up being an even more tiresome grind than normal.

2,331✭✭✭✭✭1,237✭✭✭✭✭569✭✭✭are you around? I'm giving you wins on the tracks i can't win. Can you keep an eye out for me please?

122✭✭✭805✭✭✭✭✭It soooooo boooooring to play common events now.

805✭✭✭✭✭Hey guys! Will you provide any statistics after event? How much players participated, how much dropped after first/second round. How much players won ZR1, etc. Maybe some personall stats, like who got more points in all events in series, etc.

It would be super nice to have such info.

This event was the most and maybe the only exciting thing during this year, I hope there would be more marketing around.

1,051✭✭✭✭685✭✭✭✭546Hutch Staff › admin- Participation in the Final was about 7.5x lower than an average Final (as it was harder to qualify)

- Prizes were given to top 8% instead of 1.6%, which is 5x as many as usual

- Due to unfilled leaderboards, the ZR1 went to a little over 10% of finalists in total (this makes much less difference in a normal final)

- Overall about 90% as many ZR1s were given out as an average Tri-Series Final

- For context, over the last year, the 4 lowest-participation finals gave out an average of 50% as many prize cars as the average Tri-Series Final

4,895✭✭✭✭✭Also, this motorsport tag is very arbitrary. Does this tag apply to cars that have been inspired by motorsport, or built for homologation? Or is it built as a racing car? I personally think that race cars should be banned from this game because of their extraordinary performance. The 917K has incredible mid-range that no others have and the 962C has great cornering capabilities. I also find it strange that you only add Porsche race cars (I admit, 1 Merc as well) and completely close the doors for competitive racing from racing cars that were designed to take on the 962 or the 917, for example Lola cars or the Jaguar XJR-9.

As you said, the participation rate for this is very low, since not a lot of people have won the prizes in order to get into the final.

For all our hard work, I think there should be a pack exclusively given out at events that award at least an epic that cannot be opened otherwise instead of the Carbon Fibre. What I got was a poultry RQ19 Outlander that is going to be demoted next update. I sincerely wish that these events do return soon and I want to see what these events can bring. Maybe I'll use a VPN next time.

1,237✭✭✭✭✭2,554✭✭✭✭✭For what it’s worth I enjoyed the whole series, with a bit of tweaking I’d happily see it again.

266✭✭✭117✭✭✭just need to change my pack luck please (in a good way )