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Snowpiercer - Rare (Event)

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  • mauro07mauro07 Member Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To quote @Hutch_Robin from the other day -

    “The feature roadmap since launch has been fed by all that we have learned from creating hundreds of events, from discussions with the community, from observing which events work best.”

    This event does not work the best, the community dislike it, please don’t structure events that before 12hrs become a complete farce. 

    Is there any forethought put into the structuring of these events or is it just randomly generated using an old template?
    and do you wanna talk about cadillac evet? Come on.. hutch, you can do something better!!
  • OzzmanOzzman Member Posts: 693 ✭✭✭✭
    I think the game desperately needs more rally/offroad cars. Those few cars we have now are so dominant in certain conditions, that pretty much everybody has (multiple copies of) them (at least the ones that are Super Rare or below), and if an event comes full of offroad tracks, we all end up using the same hand quickly. I understand that some of these situations cannot be seen before playing the event for a few hours, but please be more careful with offroad events, because once you add class, rq and even country restrictions on top of that, the number of usable cars narrow down drastically.
  • RobGripesRobGripes Member Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23
    Absolutely should be an RQ adjustment there.

    Similar case to the honda beat which comes out at RQ3 according to the match resolver thingy. But it is so Specialist that hutch made it RQ4 to balance
    Post edited by RobGripes on
  • MSteeLMSteeL Member Posts: 625 ✭✭✭✭
    Rq11 blazer and RQ12 mazda BT50 loose on snow hill climb vs GE by roughly 50 points, while offroaders loose by 200+. This is still broken
  • mauro07mauro07 Member Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MSteeL said:
    Rq11 blazer and RQ12 mazda BT50 loose on snow hill climb vs GE by roughly 50 points, while offroaders loose by 200+. This is still broken
    if you use blazer and put a RR discovery instead of mk or second escort?
  • MSteeLMSteeL Member Posts: 625 ✭✭✭✭
    Dont know, but I think blazer looses a bit more than mazda.. Still it could work
  • Hutch_RobinHutch_Robin Administrator, Hutch Staff Posts: 690 admin
    edited January 23
    MSteeL said:
    Rq11 blazer and RQ12 mazda BT50 loose on snow hill climb vs GE by roughly 50 points, while offroaders loose by 200+. This is still broken
    Happy to discuss changes to the race resolver, but commenting that something is broken is not really helpful or constructive. The previous changes were physics were corrected (lighter vehicles are better) and tyre choice is more impactful, while wheel drive is less impactful.

    Are you saying the Chevrolet Blazer and Mazda BT-50 should ascend the hill slower? Are you saying that the non-specified off road tyre cars should ascend the hill faster? Or should the Mercedes 280 GE ascend slower?

    Separate to the resolver, we can run a balance check, reviewing the rate at which points accumulate in off road challenges, and possibly make changes there.
  • EndlessWavesEndlessWaves Member Posts: 386 ✭✭✭
    mauro07 said:
    MSteeL said:
    Rq11 blazer and RQ12 mazda BT50 loose on snow hill climb vs GE by roughly 50 points, while offroaders loose by 200+. This is still broken
    if you use blazer and put a RR discovery instead of mk or second escort?
    The Disco is super rare now. Do you mean the Freelander?
  • mauro07mauro07 Member Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yes freelander, sorry...
  • MSteeLMSteeL Member Posts: 625 ✭✭✭✭
    MSteeL said:
    Rq11 blazer and RQ12 mazda BT50 loose on snow hill climb vs GE by roughly 50 points, while offroaders loose by 200+. This is still broken
    Happy to discuss changes to the race resolver, but commenting that something is broken is not really helpful or constructive. The previous changes were physics were corrected (lighter vehicles are better) and tyre choice is more impactful, while wheel drive is less impactful.

    Are you saying the Chevrolet Blazer and Mazda BT-50 should ascend the hill slower? Are you saying that the non-specified off road tyre cars should ascend the hill faster? Or should the Mercedes 280 GE ascend slower?

    Separate to the resolver, we can run a balance check, reviewing the rate at which points accumulate in off road challenges, and possibly make changes there.

    Sorry couldnt write in white zone, so Ill write here. 
    Im saying that 4wd standard tyre cars shouldnt climb as fast on off road hills, especially on snowy hill climb. 
    The RQ13 Ram barely makes it and the blazer almost catches up to GE? Something just doesnt seem right to me.
    It is as if standard tyres had more grip on snow hill climb than off road, with the exeption of GE. 
  • mauro07mauro07 Member Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MSteeL said:
    Rq11 blazer and RQ12 mazda BT50 loose on snow hill climb vs GE by roughly 50 points, while offroaders loose by 200+. This is still broken
    Happy to discuss changes to the race resolver, but commenting that something is broken is not really helpful or constructive. The previous changes were physics were corrected (lighter vehicles are better) and tyre choice is more impactful, while wheel drive is less impactful.

    Are you saying the Chevrolet Blazer and Mazda BT-50 should ascend the hill slower? Are you saying that the non-specified off road tyre cars should ascend the hill faster? Or should the Mercedes 280 GE ascend slower?

    Separate to the resolver, we can run a balance check, reviewing the rate at which points accumulate in off road challenges, and possibly make changes there.
    the problem is: snow hill, GE 280 win and it's ok, but Ram or other with offroad tyres/all terrain lose with a lot of points while a standard tyre 4wd lose with 50/100 points... i think he means this... how this difference? and we have snow and offroad would be performe better of standard tyres!
  • BoxtaSBoxtaS Member Posts: 938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Snow hill climb? Standard tyres?
    No way. Even with 4WD & TCS in my opinion. Standard tyres cannot grip snow. 2wd cars struggle on winter tyres even. 

    I’ve spent literally hours putting snow chains over winter tyres just to make it up driveways - the hillclimb is meant to be 50% I think? 
  • James_PearceJames_Pearce Member Posts: 719 ✭✭✭✭
    This event has become:
    Ignore for most of the day
    Realise that you have five tickets
    Play your tickets for 0-0 draws
    Occasionally celebrate when someone has set up their identical hand wrong and you can steal a 100-0 victory (usually because they’ve put the Juke on gravel slalom and the Escort on gravel twisty road). 
    Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.
  • LittleEnosBurdetteLittleEnosBurdette Member Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought it had already been accepted by Hutch that there was still an issue with the dirt/snow/sand hill climbs, was some sort of off road tyre bonus not going to be put in place in a later update?
  • AnzatoroAnzatoro Member Posts: 139 ✭✭


    Ok, I am dying to know how the first two guys get points consistently the last day since all in top 5 have EXACTLY the same hand.
    100% same hand, I also tried mixing the cars in the tracks but no point.

    @LittleEnosBurdette any idea man? 
  • LittleEnosBurdetteLittleEnosBurdette Member Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anzatoro said:


    Ok, I am dying to know how the first two guys get points consistently the last day since all in top 5 have EXACTLY the same hand.
    100% same hand, I also tried mixing the cars in the tracks but no point.

    @LittleEnosBurdette any idea man? 
    The guy in 5th is running his set up incorrectly, they are taking it in turns to hit him, I’m leaving him alone so he’s in their range and he’s beating the people below him without a Juke. I think that’s how it’s working. 🤔
  • LittleEnosBurdetteLittleEnosBurdette Member Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭✭✭


    There’s an example. 
  • MSteeLMSteeL Member Posts: 625 ✭✭✭✭
    I stand corrected, blazer looses by 200+ but mazda BT-50 only by 50. Why is that? Because of traction control? Lol
  • mauro07mauro07 Member Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭✭✭
    and freelander is pretty useless.... allterrain 4wd but ridiculous stats for rq13 when escort rally is rq13
  • hifichrishifichris Member Posts: 148 ✭✭✭
    Anzatoro said:


    Ok, I am dying to know how the first two guys get points consistently the last day since all in top 5 have EXACTLY the same hand.
    100% same hand, I also tried mixing the cars in the tracks but no point.

    @LittleEnosBurdette any idea man? 
    Hello mister anzatoro ^^

    First of all, i see for the first time you are forumer. I didn t know you pseudo when i wrote my message. You could ask me, there is no pb.
    I would like to thank you about a win you give me and that loss to the third guy with escort 996. We try to maintain you at 3 places from him because we believe you will do it again ^^

    In general, thanks to all forumers of this bracket and a special big up to @LittleEnosBurdette

    I didn t know some tactics you use for us, many thanks, i learn ;)

    I think @pmglfv is ok with that !

  • hifichrishifichris Member Posts: 148 ✭✭✭
    If @Kasplant alias Rik enter top 10, 8/8 forumers should be in top 10 !!! 
  • pmglfvpmglfv Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    hifichris said:
    Anzatoro said:


    Ok, I am dying to know how the first two guys get points consistently the last day since all in top 5 have EXACTLY the same hand.
    100% same hand, I also tried mixing the cars in the tracks but no point.

    @LittleEnosBurdette any idea man? 
    Hello mister anzatoro ^^

    First of all, i see for the first time you are forumer. I didn t know you pseudo when i wrote my message. You could ask me, there is no pb.
    I would like to thank you about a win you give me and that loss to the third guy with escort 996. We try to maintain you at 3 places from him because we believe you will do it again ^^

    In general, thanks to all forumers of this bracket and a special big up to @LittleEnosBurdette

    I didn t know some tactics you use for us, many thanks, i learn ;)

    I think @pmglfv is ok with that !

    Thanks @LittleEnosBurdette and those who allowed us to stop Steffen's progress.
    Happy to see so many forumers in the top 10 of our bracket.
    I hope you've all had good cars with ceramics.



  • ppedrasppedras Member Posts: 985 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23
    How ridiculous it was....


    No losses, same points, ended 3rd. Couldn't play because top 6 or 7 with same hand...
  • baestbaest Member Posts: 420 ✭✭✭✭
    A lot of these lower tier car events come down to who has thought of the best hand (which will be copied) and joins first.  Literally events like these are why I've been advocating for faster run/pop up events for about a year.
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