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959 Dakar Testing

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  • Bucks73Bucks73 ✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 607 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    Hutch_Tim said:
    So to summarise:
    - RQ27 959 Dakar loses to RQ30 Suzuki Pikes Peak on hill climbs... the Pikes Peak has almost a second faster 0-60 (!!), but you'd expect the high ride height to help. Would you expect it to completely off-set that 0-60 difference?
    - RQ27 959 Dakar beats RQ30 Suzuki Pikes Peak on twisty off-road courses due to off-road tires - looks about right


     
    This is why I’m keen to see how it tests against the Metro. I’d test it myself but didn’t win the Metro (dammit!)
  • XA2XA2 ✭✭✭ Member Posts: 231 ✭✭✭
    Hutch_Tim said:
    So to summarise:
    - RQ27 959 Dakar loses to RQ30 Suzuki Pikes Peak on hill climbs... the Pikes Peak has almost a second faster 0-60 (!!), but you'd expect the high ride height to help. Would you expect it to completely off-set that 0-60 difference?
    - RQ27 959 Dakar beats RQ30 Suzuki Pikes Peak on twisty off-road courses due to off-road tires - looks about right


    Yep, I can agree in the comparisson with the pikes, I dont know How much difference makes the ride height but should not be too much.

    And What about the pictures @mikes posted comparing it on a dirt hill climb against audi RS7 and audi R8? Similar acceleration if not better on the 959 plus offroad tyres and high ride. Or the ones comparing it to other offroad cars with a much worse acceleration? Those are the ones that seemed quite off to me.
    PS: the imagen should be on the previous Page ;) 
  • David_FookDavid_Fook ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bucks73 said:
    Hutch_Tim said:
    So to summarise:
    - RQ27 959 Dakar loses to RQ30 Suzuki Pikes Peak on hill climbs... the Pikes Peak has almost a second faster 0-60 (!!), but you'd expect the high ride height to help. Would you expect it to completely off-set that 0-60 difference?
    - RQ27 959 Dakar beats RQ30 Suzuki Pikes Peak on twisty off-road courses due to off-road tires - looks about right


     
    This is why I’m keen to see how it tests against the Metro. I’d test it myself but didn’t win the Metro (dammit!)
    Can anyone post up some drag times? Ice/snow please!
  • MSteeLMSteeL ✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    Hutch_Tim said:
    So to summarise:
    - RQ27 959 Dakar loses to RQ30 Suzuki Pikes Peak on hill climbs... the Pikes Peak has almost a second faster 0-60 (!!), but you'd expect the high ride height to help. Would you expect it to completely off-set that 0-60 difference?
    - RQ27 959 Dakar beats RQ30 Suzuki Pikes Peak on twisty off-road courses due to off-road tires - looks about right


    Im sorry Tim, but did you look at other screenshots? This doesnt look right at all ;) :)
  • BugattiBugatti ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • Hutch_TimHutch_Tim admin Administrator, Hutch Staff Posts: 614 admin
    Okay, looking into this a bit more, two other factors are in play:

    - 959 Dakar doesn't have TCS or ABS, Pikes Peak does which will give it an advantage
    - Pikes Peak is classified as an SUV, and SUVs get a 'performance fingerprint' that gives them an advantage on Hill Climbs (the idea being to capture aspects of the car that just acceleration and ride height can't get at). We can review that.


  • Bucks73Bucks73 ✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 607 ✭✭✭✭
    Bucks73 said:
    They don't have to fix the Dakar.  They just have to fix the OP Pike peak and Metro, lol.
    To the 3 guys that hit 'disagree', I think you missed the "lol" at the end which meant this was a joke.  Relax.
  • MSteeLMSteeL ✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    I wonder what ABS has to do with hill climb lol. Can anyone do some testing between other medium/high ground clearance cars? I remember always loosing this matchup, even though I had much better 0-60.
  • Olli8888Olli8888 ✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 634 ✭✭✭✭
    @Bugatti how did you tune the Dakar? 303?
  • Ivo_KamburovIvo_Kamburov ✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 773 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    @Hutch_Tim I downloaded the first Video editing app from the App Store and quickly compared the Dakar to the Metro and the Ford Escort and it's pretty obvious that there's something wrong (I believe it's running in 2WD mode), because even the 70s G-class is catching up



    Sorry for the poor quality

    *Edit: just fixed the format of my video 
    Post edited by Ivo_Kamburov on
  • BugattiBugatti ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Olli8888 said:
    @Bugatti how did you tune the Dakar? 303?

  • RawelRawel ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 805 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hutch_Tim said:
    Okay, looking into this a bit more, two other factors are in play:

    - 959 Dakar doesn't have TCS or ABS, Pikes Peak does which will give it an advantage
    - Pikes Peak is classified as an SUV, and SUVs get a 'performance fingerprint' that gives them an advantage on Hill Climbs (the idea being to capture aspects of the car that just acceleration and ride height can't get at). We can review that.
    So dakar being a coupe probably gets punished hard?
  • mikesmikes ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rawel said:
    Hutch_Tim said:
    Okay, looking into this a bit more, two other factors are in play:

    - 959 Dakar doesn't have TCS or ABS, Pikes Peak does which will give it an advantage
    - Pikes Peak is classified as an SUV, and SUVs get a 'performance fingerprint' that gives them an advantage on Hill Climbs (the idea being to capture aspects of the car that just acceleration and ride height can't get at). We can review that.
    So dakar being a coupe probably gets punished hard?
    Probably. But it’s still strange that a low height performance tire convertible is quicker up the hill. 
  • Hutch_TimHutch_Tim admin Administrator, Hutch Staff Posts: 614 admin
    Sorry, I should have clarified that the absence of TC and ABS will be a slight hinderance to the Dakar in other tracks, not the Hill Climb!

    On the Hill Climb, it's mostly going to be due to the SUV performance fingerprint I mentioned (especially vs. the Pikes Peak and I assume the Metro). As I said, we'll look into that - entirely possible that the Dakar should have more of a boost for hills, and probably the Pikes Peak maybe should have less. Vs. the Audis, that looks like just the raw power of the Audis getting them up there quicker.

    Thanks for the rigorous testing Hillclimber, that looks about right.

    In case it's not obvious, the Dakar has been through the testing engine, it went through the same RQ-assigning process as everything else by being raced against every other car as usual. Looks about right for an RQ27, and it's nice it can beat the RQ30 Pikes Peak when the off-road tires get to really work for it on the corners. 
  • MSteeLMSteeL ✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 892 ✭✭✭✭
    Raw power of Audi's???!!!?!?!??!?!?
  • tichoblintichoblin ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 950 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another dust collector in my garage
  • hillclimberhillclimber ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭✭✭
    thank you too Tim for the open communication.

    When was that Dakar run the last time trough that testing engine? That car is since the beginning in the game, right? Since then a lot of things changed, new cars were added and RQ changes happened. so I thought it's worth to do it again.

    than you say that ABS and TC don't matter for hill climb. well...


    this is from this thread http://forums.hutchgames.com/discussion/5439/hill-climb-theory#latest
    we still can only speculate how how ABS braking is helping on a hill climb? 


  • David_FookDavid_Fook ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Pikes performs like expected, it sucks on hillclimbs, I’d never use it there - which is why it’s a red flag that it beats the Dakar.
  • BoxtaSBoxtaS ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    TD01055 said:
    Ok hutch, riddle me this. The Dakar (at 1.3) loses a 1/4 mile drag on ICE to the carrera 4 RQ22 (303) on performance tyres. Neither have traction control. Ridiculous.

    If that’s correct, then the Dakar can’t be 4WD. Even if it was on performance tyres with 4WD it would stuff the 911 on a quarter mile on ice - like the regular 959 does.

    hang on, hold my beer...
  • Sherby90Sherby90 ✭✭✭ Member Posts: 302 ✭✭✭
    BoxtaS said:
    TD01055 said:
    Ok hutch, riddle me this. The Dakar (at 1.3) loses a 1/4 mile drag on ICE to the carrera 4 RQ22 (303) on performance tyres. Neither have traction control. Ridiculous.

    If that’s correct, then the Dakar can’t be 4WD. Even if it was on performance tyres with 4WD it would stuff the 911 on a quarter mile on ice - like the regular 959 does.

    hang on, hold my beer...
    It also draws with the 330 Aclyone here
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