Regardless of all the physics, we should remember that the Dakar is a vehicle designed by one of the worlds best car manufacturers to drive across sand dunes faster than anything else. Only the Audi S1, Metro, Raptor & merc 6x6 should be able to even see which way it went on any off road surface. No fridges required.
and I bought one so make it like it should be please!
I dont necessarily think nerfing the pikes peak is a bad thing if it doesn't deserve it. THey are also fixing the 959 as stated. As much fun as it can be to side against Hutch, they are fixing the problem, let's not tear into them too much. I mean damn, they finally see their flaw, and they are also working on the physics aswell. Pretty sure the next large update is only for bugs aswell. I'm not too worried tbh about this whole thing. It's gonna get solved one way or the other
As far as I can tell, the Dakar is currently flawed via the engine for hill climbs, but regarding the rest of the stats, it does align for the various other tracks and routes. There will definetly be a fix, as stated, regarding the 959's atrocious hillclimb abilities, but until then, this whole argument should probably simmer down some. Either way, in the last year I've played his game, this discussion thread is one of the most interesting I've ever encountered. Been a pleasure to read/analyze all the testing and such
As far as I can tell, the Dakar is currently flawed via the engine for hill climbs, but regarding the rest of the stats, it does align for the various other tracks and routes. There will definetly be a fix, as stated, regarding the 959's atrocious hillclimb abilities, but until then, this whole argument should probably simmer down some. Either way, in the last year I've played his game, this discussion thread is one of the most interesting I've ever encountered. Been a pleasure to read/analyze all the testing and such
I agree with you on the hillclimb issue but let's not forget that drags will stay the same in the foreseeable future. With 3.1 0-60, 4x4 and offroad tires this thing presented itself as a definite solution to drags in difficult conditions and yet d-class performance tires subars catch up to it. Let's not forget in cases like this money is flowing and most of us had to buy a chance to get this thing. What we got wasn't nearly what was advertised. Sure, it beats escort on twisties but metro seems to be better in most cases and its performance in a straight line is a joke.
how did none of the developers or tested notice it before rolling it out?
How long should we expect the bug fixing to take part? Also is there even gonna be perf tires evaluation on offroad tracks? Becase that "if" in Tim's statement really worries me.
How long should we expect the bug fixing to take part? Also is there even gonna be perf tires evaluation on offroad tracks? Becase that "if" in Tim's statement really worries me.
As far as I can tell, the Dakar is currently flawed via the engine for hill climbs, but regarding the rest of the stats, it does align for the various other tracks and routes. There will definetly be a fix, as stated, regarding the 959's atrocious hillclimb abilities, but until then, this whole argument should probably simmer down some. Either way, in the last year I've played his game, this discussion thread is one of the most interesting I've ever encountered. Been a pleasure to read/analyze all the testing and such
I agree with you on the hillclimb issue but let's not forget that drags will stay the same in the foreseeable future. With 3.1 0-60, 4x4 and offroad tires this thing presented itself as a definite solution to drags in difficult conditions and yet d-class performance tires subars catch up to it. Let's not forget in cases like this money is flowing and most of us had to buy a chance to get this thing. What we got wasn't nearly what was advertised. Sure, it beats escort on twisties but metro seems to be better in most cases and its performance in a straight line is a joke.
how did none of the developers or tested notice it before rolling it out?
I believe they just had the game engine test it for them, which isn't a wrong thing to do, and took what it said as factual and correct. It was simply a dev oversight, no biggie if it's getting fixed.
You can add this one to the mix too. I was under an impression that acceleration is critical on hairpin and that offroad tires are better than all surface. Clearly I was wrong
You can add this one to the mix too. I was under an impression that acceleration is critical on hairpin and that offroad tires are better than all surface. Clearly I was wrong
Off-road and All-surface tyres have the same resistance values on Gravel, so I guess the ABS and traction control really helped the Jaguar
You can add this one to the mix too. I was under an impression that acceleration is critical on hairpin and that offroad tires are better than all surface. Clearly I was wrong
Off-road and All-surface tyres have the same resistance values on Gravel, so I guess the ABS and traction control really helped the Jaguar
Pretty sure All-Surface does better on gravel than off-road.
Here Are the numbers don't recall where o got them from
So according to that the tires were not a factor. Still, with the difference in acceleration it's difficult for me to accept that this is the correct result
Here Are the numbers don't recall where o got them from
So according to that the tires were not a factor. Still, with the difference in acceleration it's difficult for me to accept that this is the correct result
Agreed. In the current Alpine Ascension event, the Suzuki Ignis (303 tune with 8.5/83 stats) beats the Suzuki Swift (303 tune with 6.3/89 stats) on the Twisty Road. Although, I suppose that might have somethign to do with the Ignis' 4WD.
Just decided to remind myself how baaaad Dakar is so run few tests on Finland 6 hillclimb. Well 4x4 rq10 med with performance tires and 4x4 rq14 low std tires are better!!! In other words vectra gsi and Subaru xt!!!
since the proper fixing would mean no less than a new programming of the match resolver and therefore all cars would end up with new lap times, I'm afraid it's not gonna happen soon. my hope is it will be introduced together with the mentioned air resistance update.
Just decided to remind myself how baaaad Dakar is so run few tests on Finland 6 hillclimb. Well 4x4 rq10 med with performance tires and 4x4 rq14 low std tires are better!!! In other words vectra gsi and Subaru xt!!!
Two more of Dakar killers: And this Tahoe was pretty close:
Just decided to remind myself how baaaad Dakar is so run few tests on Finland 6 hillclimb. Well 4x4 rq10 med with performance tires and 4x4 rq14 low std tires are better!!! In other words vectra gsi and Subaru xt!!!
Two more of Dakar killers:
And this Tahoe was pretty close:
It beats a Tahoe, what is everyone complaining about... Dakar Power!
since the proper fixing would mean no less than a new programming of the match resolver and therefore all cars would end up with new lap times, I'm afraid it's not gonna happen soon. my hope is it will be introduced together with the mentioned air resistance update.
From what I understand fixing Dakar on hillclimbs should be relatively easy since it will just need activated this special fingerprint ability. Then we have drags which is another problem.
since the proper fixing would mean no less than a new programming of the match resolver and therefore all cars would end up with new lap times, I'm afraid it's not gonna happen soon. my hope is it will be introduced together with the mentioned air resistance update.
From what I understand fixing Dakar on hillclimbs should be relatively easy since it will just need activated this special fingerprint ability. Then we have drags which is another problem.
yeah, but Rubio's finger wouldn't do the job. I don't think adding the regular SUV fingerprint would fix it. the main problem is that light weighted equals bad grip for acceleration and off road tires are underrated for acceleration as well. but I agree adding a big SUV fingerprint could be a transitional solution.
I really don't get this weight issue with Dakar, or in general on hill climbs. Anyways Dakar loses to cars that are both lighter (xt, vectra) and heavier like Vauxhall Frontera (32,46). All with much more inferior stats.
just did another test, Dakar loses also to Renault safrane which is also heavier than Dakar.
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Oh did you mean the non-smurf hand?
Regardless of all the physics, we should remember that the Dakar is a vehicle designed by one of the worlds best car manufacturers to drive across sand dunes faster than anything else. Only the Audi S1, Metro, Raptor & merc 6x6 should be able to even see which way it went on any off road surface. No fridges required.
and I bought one so make it like it should be please!
Either way, in the last year I've played his game, this discussion thread is one of the most interesting I've ever encountered. Been a pleasure to read/analyze all the testing and such
Let's not forget in cases like this money is flowing and most of us had to buy a chance to get this thing. What we got wasn't nearly what was advertised. Sure, it beats escort on twisties but metro seems to be better in most cases and its performance in a straight line is a joke.
how did none of the developers or tested notice it before rolling it out?
I didn't have a good mazda hand
Just my own experience that this car ist useless in hillclimbs
Well 4x4 rq10 med with performance tires and 4x4 rq14 low std tires are better!!! In other words vectra gsi and Subaru xt!!!
And this Tahoe was pretty close:
Then we have drags which is another problem.
I don't think adding the regular SUV fingerprint would fix it. the main problem is that light weighted equals bad grip for acceleration and off road tires are underrated for acceleration as well.
but I agree adding a big SUV fingerprint could be a transitional solution.
Anyways Dakar loses to cars that are both lighter (xt, vectra) and heavier like Vauxhall Frontera (32,46). All with much more inferior stats.
just did another test, Dakar loses also to Renault safrane which is also heavier than Dakar.