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  • BugattiBugatti Member Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
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  • Huskic69Huskic69 Member Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bugatti said:
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    I wont
  • Ivo_KamburovIvo_Kamburov Member Posts: 774 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm so happy I have the Dakar for the current Mercedes event. will u use yours on the drags or on the hill climb?
    Hillclimb duh... 
    Oh did you mean the non-smurf hand? 
  • 43MK443MK4 Member Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm so happy I have the Dakar for the current Mercedes event. will u use yours on the drags or on the hill climb?
    Wish I had 2 of them, 2 easy wins!
  • BoxtaSBoxtaS Member Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Air resistance is futile! 

    Regardless of all the physics, we should remember that the Dakar is a vehicle designed by one of the worlds best car manufacturers to drive across sand dunes faster than anything else. Only the Audi S1, Metro, Raptor & merc 6x6 should be able to even see which way it went on any off road surface. No fridges required.

    and I bought one so make it like it should be please! 
  • NinjaDesignzNinjaDesignz Member Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm so happy I have the Dakar for the current Mercedes event. will u use yours on the drags or on the hill climb?
    I think you'll use it on hill climb, considering your name
  • lukec436lukec436 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭✭
    I dont necessarily think nerfing the pikes peak is a bad thing if it doesn't deserve it. THey are also fixing the 959 as stated. As much fun as it can be to side against Hutch, they are fixing the problem, let's not tear into them too much. I mean damn, they finally see their flaw, and they are also working on the physics aswell. Pretty sure the next large update is only for bugs aswell. I'm not too worried tbh about this whole thing. It's gonna get solved one way or the other 
  • lukec436lukec436 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭✭
    As far as I can tell, the Dakar is currently flawed via the engine for hill climbs, but regarding the rest of the stats, it does align for the various other tracks and routes. There will definetly be a fix, as stated, regarding the 959's atrocious hillclimb abilities, but until then, this whole argument should probably simmer down some. 
    Either way, in the last year I've played his game, this discussion thread is one of the most interesting I've ever encountered. Been a pleasure to read/analyze all the testing and such
  • evilprofesseurevilprofesseur Member Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lukec436 said:
    As far as I can tell, the Dakar is currently flawed via the engine for hill climbs, but regarding the rest of the stats, it does align for the various other tracks and routes. There will definetly be a fix, as stated, regarding the 959's atrocious hillclimb abilities, but until then, this whole argument should probably simmer down some. 
    Either way, in the last year I've played his game, this discussion thread is one of the most interesting I've ever encountered. Been a pleasure to read/analyze all the testing and such
    I agree with you on the hillclimb issue but let's not forget that drags will stay the same in the foreseeable future. With 3.1 0-60, 4x4 and offroad tires this thing presented itself as a definite solution to drags in difficult conditions and yet d-class performance tires subars catch up to it.
    Let's not forget in cases like this money is flowing and most of us had to buy a chance to get this thing. What we got wasn't nearly what was advertised. Sure, it beats escort on twisties but metro seems to be better in most cases and its performance in a straight line is a joke.

    how did none of the developers or tested notice it before rolling it out? 
  • MSteeLMSteeL Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    How long should we expect the bug fixing to take part? Also is there even gonna be perf tires evaluation on offroad tracks? Becase that "if" in Tim's statement really worries me.
  • Ivo_KamburovIvo_Kamburov Member Posts: 774 ✭✭✭✭
    MSteeL said:
    How long should we expect the bug fixing to take part? Also is there even gonna be perf tires evaluation on offroad tracks? Becase that "if" in Tim's statement really worries me.
    Don't expect an answer till Monday 
  • lukec436lukec436 Member Posts: 90 ✭✭✭
    lukec436 said:
    As far as I can tell, the Dakar is currently flawed via the engine for hill climbs, but regarding the rest of the stats, it does align for the various other tracks and routes. There will definetly be a fix, as stated, regarding the 959's atrocious hillclimb abilities, but until then, this whole argument should probably simmer down some. 
    Either way, in the last year I've played his game, this discussion thread is one of the most interesting I've ever encountered. Been a pleasure to read/analyze all the testing and such
    I agree with you on the hillclimb issue but let's not forget that drags will stay the same in the foreseeable future. With 3.1 0-60, 4x4 and offroad tires this thing presented itself as a definite solution to drags in difficult conditions and yet d-class performance tires subars catch up to it.
    Let's not forget in cases like this money is flowing and most of us had to buy a chance to get this thing. What we got wasn't nearly what was advertised. Sure, it beats escort on twisties but metro seems to be better in most cases and its performance in a straight line is a joke.

    how did none of the developers or tested notice it before rolling it out? 
    I believe they just had the game engine test it for them, which isn't a wrong thing to do, and took what it said as factual and correct. It was simply a dev oversight, no biggie if it's getting fixed.
  • evilprofesseurevilprofesseur Member Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can add this one to the mix too. I was under an impression that acceleration is critical on hairpin and that offroad tires are better than all surface. Clearly I was wrong
  • Ivo_KamburovIvo_Kamburov Member Posts: 774 ✭✭✭✭
    You can add this one to the mix too. I was under an impression that acceleration is critical on hairpin and that offroad tires are better than all surface. Clearly I was wrong
    Off-road and All-surface tyres have the same resistance values on Gravel, so I guess the ABS and traction control really helped the Jaguar 
  • TGPDTGPD Member Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hahaha Karma
    I didn't have a good mazda hand
  • HeissRodHeissRod Member Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can add this one to the mix too. I was under an impression that acceleration is critical on hairpin and that offroad tires are better than all surface. Clearly I was wrong
    Off-road and All-surface tyres have the same resistance values on Gravel, so I guess the ABS and traction control really helped the Jaguar 
    Pretty sure All-Surface does better on gravel than off-road.
  • 43MK443MK4 Member Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here Are the numbers don't recall where o got them from



  • evilprofesseurevilprofesseur Member Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭✭✭
    43MK4 said:
    Here Are the numbers don't recall where o got them from



    So according to that the tires were not a factor. Still, with the difference in acceleration it's difficult for me to accept that this is the correct result
  • HeissRodHeissRod Member Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    43MK4 said:
    Here Are the numbers don't recall where o got them from



    So according to that the tires were not a factor. Still, with the difference in acceleration it's difficult for me to accept that this is the correct result
    Agreed.  In the current Alpine Ascension event, the Suzuki Ignis (303 tune with 8.5/83 stats) beats the Suzuki Swift (303 tune with 6.3/89 stats) on the Twisty Road.  Although, I suppose that might have somethign to do with the Ignis' 4WD.
  • SchmidtiSchmidti Member Posts: 177 ✭✭✭
    lost by 183 points...
    Just my own experience that this car ist useless in hillclimbs 
  • 43MK443MK4 Member Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just decided to remind myself how baaaad Dakar is so run few tests on Finland 6 hillclimb. 
    Well 4x4 rq10 med with performance tires and 4x4 rq14 low std tires are better!!! In other words vectra gsi and Subaru xt!!!


  • MSteeLMSteeL Member Posts: 902 ✭✭✭✭
    Wondering when the "fixing" update will be
  • hillclimberhillclimber Member Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MSteeL said:
    Wondering when the "fixing" update will be
    since the proper fixing would mean no less than a new programming of the match resolver and therefore all cars would end up with new lap times, I'm afraid it's not gonna happen soon. my hope is it will be introduced together with the mentioned air resistance update.
  • tichoblintichoblin Member Posts: 950 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    43MK4 said:
    Just decided to remind myself how baaaad Dakar is so run few tests on Finland 6 hillclimb. 
    Well 4x4 rq10 med with performance tires and 4x4 rq14 low std tires are better!!! In other words vectra gsi and Subaru xt!!!


    Two more of Dakar killers:

    And this Tahoe was pretty close:

  • 43MK443MK4 Member Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MSteeL said:
    Wondering when the "fixing" update will be
    since the proper fixing would mean no less than a new programming of the match resolver and therefore all cars would end up with new lap times, I'm afraid it's not gonna happen soon. my hope is it will be introduced together with the mentioned air resistance update.
    From what I understand fixing Dakar on hillclimbs should be relatively easy since it will just need activated this special fingerprint ability.
    Then we have drags which is another problem.
  • hillclimberhillclimber Member Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭✭✭
    43MK4 said:
    MSteeL said:
    Wondering when the "fixing" update will be
    since the proper fixing would mean no less than a new programming of the match resolver and therefore all cars would end up with new lap times, I'm afraid it's not gonna happen soon. my hope is it will be introduced together with the mentioned air resistance update.
    From what I understand fixing Dakar on hillclimbs should be relatively easy since it will just need activated this special fingerprint ability.
    Then we have drags which is another problem.
    yeah, but Rubio's finger wouldn't do the job.
    I don't think adding the regular SUV fingerprint would fix it. the main problem is that light weighted equals bad grip for acceleration and off road tires are underrated for acceleration as well.
    but I agree adding a big SUV fingerprint could be a transitional solution.
  • 43MK443MK4 Member Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2018
    I really don't get this weight issue with Dakar, or in general on hill climbs.
    Anyways Dakar loses to cars that are both lighter (xt, vectra) and heavier like Vauxhall Frontera (32,46). All with much more inferior stats.

    just did another test, Dakar loses also to Renault safrane which is also heavier than Dakar.
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