BMW ground clearances

DodecaneDodecane Posts: 124 ✭✭
RQ30 BMW M5: ground clearance is 132 mm, should be low https://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=528385
RQ30 BMW M5 Competition: ground clearance is 128 mm, should be low https://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=550748
RQ28 BMW 640i xDrive Gran Coupe: ground clearance is 127 mm, should be low https://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=539979
RQ26 BMW M3 CRT: has lower ground clearance than a stock M3, should be low
RQ26 BMW M3 GTS: ground clearance is 119 mm, should be low https://www.autoevolution.com/cars/bmw-m3-gts-e92-2010.html#aeng_bmw-m3-gts-e92-2010-44-v8
RQ26 BMW M4: ground clearance is 121 mm, should be low https://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=491546
RQ26 BMW M5: ground clearance is 111 mm, should be low https://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=491370
RQ25 BMW M6: ground clearance is 106 mm, should be low https://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=491326
RQ25 BMW M6 Gran Coupe: ground clearance is 110 mm, should be low https://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=493185
RQ24 BMW 1-series M coupe: ground clearance is 132 mm, should be low https://www.autoevolution.com/cars/bmw-1-series-m-coupe-e82-2010.html#aeng_bmw-1-series-m-coupe-e82-2010-30
RQ24 BMW M140i: ground clearance is 130 mm, should be low https://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=487223
RQ24 BMW M240i: ground clearance is 130 mm, should be low https://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=501435
RQ24 BMW M4: ground clearance should be low
RQ24 BMW M5: ground clearance should be low
RQ23 BMW M135i: ground clearance is 130 mm, should be low https://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=398596
RQ23 BMW M240i Convertible: ground clearance is 130 mm, should be low https://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=486882
RQ23 BMW M3 CSL: ground clearance is 104 mm, should be low https://www.autoevolution.com/cars/bmw-m3-csl-e46-2003.html#aeng_bmw-m3-csl-2003-32

Comments

  • TGPDTGPD Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    oh for god sake!!!! now how am I gonna be able to use the M5 for city streets?!
  • TGPDTGPD Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    According to the Road Humps Regulations 1999 in the UK,
    4(c) the highest point on it is not less than 25 millimetres nor more than 100 millimetres higher than an imaginary line parallel to the centre line of that carriageway connecting the surface of that carriageway on one side of the road hump to the surface of that carriageway on the other side of the road hump and passing vertically below that point.
    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1025/pdfs/uksi_19991025_en.pdf.
    So the speed bump is only 100mm tall. What should be the threshold for cars to be low, medium and high?
  • SSVSSV Posts: 92 ✭✭✭
    Hutch have set the threshold between low and medium at 137mm. There was a note about it somewhere in the PL9 corrections thread. But I have no idea why it was set at this height... it seems like it is going to create a mess of trouble if all of these BMWs change to low....
  • O__VERO__VER Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2019
    SSV said:
    Hutch have set the threshold between low and medium at 137mm. There was a note about it somewhere in the PL9 corrections thread. But I have no idea why it was set at this height... it seems like it is going to create a mess of trouble if all of these BMWs change to low....
    It seems like not enough thought was put into the 137mm decision. If it was made accurate across all cars, it would absolutely ruin the balance of the game – you can already see how this negatively affected people when they changed the Camaro Z28 and more recently the Audi RS6/RS7.

    This could have been avoided entirely if Hutch had set a height in the beginning and hadn't done such an utterly awful job of ensuring stats were correct. It seems most cards in the game were just eye-balled and not based on actual stats.

    Now that 137mm has been decided on, if we make all ride heights accurate it is going to be awful. Most cars will be low. The current BMW 7 series (which would have no trouble with speed bumps in real life) sits at 135mm which means it should be classed as low. In what world is the 7 series a low car?
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  • DING097DING097 Posts: 46 ✭✭
    These threads get a little bit boring, day to day complaining about cars that should be corrected and after a patch a lot of players start to cry about the car that has been corrected and he just maxed out, put all the efforts in and it's useless. You can disagree with me, but sometimes we have to look away from these things and do not change cars to keep the game balanced, because slowly there will be no medium cars above C class. No more unnecessary changes please! I suggest that we need a new threshold and not changing hundreds of cars every patch.
  • DodecaneDodecane Posts: 124 ✭✭
    edited July 2019
    TGPD said:
    BMW specifically designed the M5 as both a track and city car, which means it must be able to clear speed bumps at a reasonable speed. 
    And why 137? 110 is already very generous.
    same can be said for most of the German Renaissance BMWs with low ground clearance
  • DodecaneDodecane Posts: 124 ✭✭
    for example the m3 cs has the same ride height as the m3 gts, but somehow the m3 gts is medium
  • TGPDTGPD Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    oooh look i just bought an m3 cs for 86,000£
    let's go drive it on the road

    5 mins later...



    damn, i'm stuck at a speed bump, DAMN YOU LOW GROUND CLEARANCE
  • TopDrives40778TopDrives40778 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is noted as a topic that needs to be addressed
  • juan_cruz_96juan_cruz_96 Posts: 82 ✭✭
    Any news on this? I have a couple of questions:

    1) Is Hutch considering to lower the ground clearance treshold to less than 137mm? They have the oportunity with the next RQ range changing from 3-30 to 10-100 to do a lot of fixes.

    2) Are carfolio.com and autoevolution.com considered trusted sources? Even if not for performance numbers, at least for measurements (like ground clearance in this case).
  • PlantedZebraPlantedZebra Posts: 482 ✭✭✭
    I really hope hutch loosen their requirements for "trustworthy sources" other than the car magazines that conduct their own tests (car and driver & motortrend pretty much) just like mentioned above, y'know, automobile catalog, autoevolution and carfolio, etc.

    a lot of cars in game actually never got reviewed by those trustworthy magazines so even if their stats are wrong we could not correct them, so it'll be cool if we could just go with the factory claimed datas of 0-60/ground clearance etc.
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 5,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really hope hutch loosen their requirements for "trustworthy sources" other than the car magazines that conduct their own tests (car and driver & motortrend pretty much) just like mentioned above, y'know, automobile catalog, autoevolution and carfolio, etc.

    a lot of cars in game actually never got reviewed by those trustworthy magazines so even if their stats are wrong we could not correct them, so it'll be cool if we could just go with the factory claimed datas of 0-60/ground clearance etc.
    Factory data is fine.  The problem is that none of those "other" sources have any citing for their specs.  They just post it and we have no idea where it came from.  Automobile-catalog is even further of an outlier, because some of their acceleration times specifically say they are estimations.
  • SCOOTYYYYYYYYSCOOTYYYYYYYY Posts: 12
    Essentially making all BMW's useless 
  • DodecaneDodecane Posts: 124 ✭✭
    Are they ever going to make all the BMWs low? They clearly stated the threshold is 137mm, they should stick to their words.
  • PlantedZebraPlantedZebra Posts: 482 ✭✭✭
    @HeissRod well, at least AC did say when their stats are estimated. When they don't have the factory data, they'll leave the part blank. They won't just slap on some made up data and lie to your face, claiming "oh, this fiat coupe can do 0-100 in 1.9 seconds"

    Besides, I really trust their estimations with accelerations because most of the time it's not even that far off with the actual testings.

    Here is the 911 Turbo's acceleration data tested by Car and Driver in this correction post: https://forums.hutchgames.com/discussion/7291/1995-porsche-911-turbo
    3.7 sec 0-60 and 9.4 sec 0-100.

    And here are the estimations by our beloved Automobile Catalog: https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1996/2866055/porsche_911_turbo.html

    3.8 sec 0-60 and 9.4 sec 0-100. Not even that far off.

    Forgive me but I just don't see the point in all the hate regarding this source. (it's much better than TopSpeed and TopCarRating at least)
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 5,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's not hate.  It's directive.
  • DodecaneDodecane Posts: 124 ✭✭
    Many of these MRA issues can be resolved if Hutch actually simulated MRA instead of hardcoding them
  • PlantedZebraPlantedZebra Posts: 482 ✭✭✭
    Like, seriously, the Camaro ZL1 Convertible having better MRA than the ZL1 coupe? the MRA hutch did never made any sense.
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