Time to offer some corrections / proposals for my beloved Japanese cars.
Let's deal with Lancer Evos first. From what I've seen, sometimes Hutch uses cars' specs from Automobile Catalog, apparently. Just look at the EK9 Civic Type R and Lancer Evo I's 0-60 time. It could just be a coincidence though.
Lancer Evo I: - Model Year should be 1993. (Was 1992). Reference: https://i.imgur.com/53AzRJc.png - 112mph (180km/h) speed limiter should be removed. Other Japan only cars such as the Skyline GT-Rs NSX-R, RX-7 Spirit R, etc doesn't follow the governed speed limiter in game, while only the Evo I & IV follows it. Automobile Catalog estimates it can do 135mph without the limiter. Reference: http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1993/1950440/mitsubishi_lancer_gsr_evolution.html
Lancer Evo VIII MR FQ-340: - Model Year should be 2004. (Was 2005) Reference: https://i.imgur.com/yJ1lfB9.png (The plates on the VIII FQ-340 in game reads "WX04KCG", which already hints it's 2004.) - 0-60 time should be 4.4 secs. The current 4.7 secs in game, instead, is the time for 0-100km/h. Reference: http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/2004/1998005/mitsubishi_lancer_evo_viii_mr_fq-340.html (Under Factory Claims section) - Power should be 342hp. (Was 345); Torque should be 305ft-lb. (Was 321). Reference: Same link as above.
Mid-Range Acceleration: The Evos having no MRA is absolutely wrong. While I don't have any official manufacturer claims regarding the acceleration times, the ones estimated by Automobile Catalog should be close enough.
Let's have a benchmark car that I also happen to have in game. The RQ29 Audi RS 3 Sportback (2015). It does 0-100 in 8.56 secs, 0-120 in 12.86s, and 0-150 in 34.46s. It is upgraded 1.3/1.3/1.3. I also have an Evo to compare with. The RQ26 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR FQ-360. It does 0-100 in 9.73 secs, 0-120 in 16.36 secs, and 0-150 in 44.83 secs. It is upgraded 1.3/1.3/3.3; However, I have also recorded its acceleration times when it was still stock, and it does 0-100 in 10.50 secs, 0-120 in 17.73 secs, and 0-150 in 50.56.
Now let's take a look at the estimated acceleration times of those Evos + the RS 3 Sportback on Automobile Catalog. Car / 0-100 / 0-120 / 0-150 RS 3 Sportback / 10.3 / 15.4 / 30.4 / Reference: http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/2015/2170850/audi_rs3_sportback.html Evo X FQ-400 / 10.2 / 15.1 / NA Evo X FQ-360 / 10.6 / 16.5 / 114.1 Evo IX MR FQ-360 / 9.4 / 14.3 / 27.8 Evo VIII MR FQ-340 / 10.4 / 15.9 / 32.5 Evo VIII 260 / 14.1 / 23.4 / NA Evo VI TME / 12.4 / 19.9 / NA Evo IV / 12.7 / 20.4 / NA Evo I / 14.1 / 22.7 / NA
As you can see, the MRA should be Evo IX MR FQ-360 > Evo X FQ-400 > RS 3 Sportback > Evo VIII MR FQ-340 > Evo X FQ-360 > Evo VI TME > Evo IV > Evo I > Evo VIII 260.
Most Evos should be slightly weaker than those Middle-class Audis like the RS 6 Plus (2004) and the RS 3 Sportback (2013), but in game they are like 10x weaker than those Audis. So in my opinion the Evos should recieve MRA buff.
With all car corrections suggestions you made it it will take Hutch good few years if not longer to make it right so be patient.Normally takes around 6 months to correct stats on few cars.
With all car corrections suggestions you made it it will take Hutch good few years if not longer to make it right so be patient.Normally takes around 6 months to correct stats on few cars.
@Hutch_Tim - What specific information are you looking for on this change? The new cars would not have worse handling than old car.
"Performance stats without links (if you want these to be prioritised, please provide links to back them up) S28 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'56". S29 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'47"."
Sure, it's good to clarify: giving Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times is a good way to build a case for a handling change, you just need to cite the source for those times. I actually Googled a bit as I updated this to see if I could find something obvious, but didn't see the times you cited so had to file it under 'no link'.
An argument that a newer version of a car would have better handling isn't strong enough on its own, as that isn't guaranteed.
@Hutch_Tim - What specific information are you looking for on this change? The new cars would not have worse handling than old car.
"Performance stats without links (if you want these to be prioritised, please provide links to back them up) S28 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'56". S29 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'47"."
Sure, it's good to clarify: giving Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times is a good way to build a case for a handling change, you just need to cite the source for those times. I actually Googled a bit as I updated this to see if I could find something obvious, but didn't see the times you cited so had to file it under 'no link'.
An argument that a newer version of a car would have better handling isn't strong enough on its own, as that isn't guaranteed.
@Hutch_Tim - Please don't take this too critically, but I'm struggling to understand how you did any Googling on this, as these are widely publicized lap times that Porsche used GPS and data logging to certify with video. I think it would be helpful to provide you and Hutch with some feedback - your response above when read my any 'Car Person' would leave them shaking their heads and this leads to a sense of frustration by players (many of whom are hardcore car people) that Hutch does not have anyone on board developing the game or curating the cars/verifying stats who understands cars. Again, please understand and take this as constructive criticism - I'm not saying it is fact (I'm sure there are lots of car lovers at Hutch), but just that this will be the perception by many players. At the end of the day we all want the game improved and with more accurate information.
Alpine A310 V6 Turbo 1983 It did have a turbo but it wasn't part of the numenclature , only found it referred to as the A310 V6 (Group 4)u Bhp is 200 -> should be 290 Peak torque is 210 -> should be 300 lb-ft Weigh 1180-> should be 950 kg Tyres should be off-road : car in the photo has a high rear wing which was only on the rally car
Hey @Hutch_Tim - I looked back at the updated original post and some of the vehicles listed in the 'links needed' section I have posted links to in this thread. Do you want them reposted?
@Hutch_Tim - Please don't take this too critically, but I'm struggling to understand how you did any Googling on this, as these are widely publicized lap times that Porsche used GPS and data logging to certify with video. I think it would be helpful to provide you and Hutch with some feedback - your response above when read my any 'Car Person' would leave them shaking their heads and this leads to a sense of frustration by players (many of whom are hardcore car people) that Hutch does not have anyone on board developing the game or curating the cars/verifying stats who understands cars. Again, please understand and take this as constructive criticism - I'm not saying it is fact (I'm sure there are lots of car lovers at Hutch), but just that this will be the perception by many players. At the end of the day we all want the game improved and with more accurate information.
Right! Perhaps I should clarify this in the opening post - I'm up front about it on the Top Drives Show: I am not a car guy. I'm just the person at Hutch who is highly engaged with the game, with the community, and is most willing to post on the forums. So I'm best placed to gather and summarise the corrections as they come in, then I can pass them on to the actual car guys and/or Evo to consider.
As you can see, we get a lot of correction suggestions, and (as I'm sure you know), getting a lot of these stats 'right' isn't just a matter of looking at any one source. So it takes some time, which means we have to prioritise somehow, and one very efficient way is to ask players for sources. So I just apply that rule.
I can see how I might give a bad impression by not knowing obvious car things! This is why it's good we at least have @Hutch_Jonathan on the Top Drives show as he has way more knowledge in that area.
Hey @Hutch_Tim - I looked back at the updated original post and some of the vehicles listed in the 'links needed' section I have posted links to in this thread. Do you want them reposted?
No, it's fine - I'm just working my way through the thread chronologically as I have time. Thanks!
Ok..... so I was just googling the ground clearance for some cars. I found out that the m4, M3 gts, a 45, e 63s ,both the c63, s8 plus they all seem to have ground clearance below 120 mm. (I think these are the cars that have not been mentioned before?). And the ttrs plus coupe has gc of 135 mm just 2mm less than cut off.
I don't mean this in a bad way, but just wanna ask about the speed with which these changes get approved and maybe what the process is. With such a huge list of changes with provided sources and only two confirmed for the next update (it's the next update right? not some random one in the future?) why is it taking so long?
Ok..... so I was just googling the ground clearance for some cars. I found out that the m4, M3 gts, a 45, e 63s ,both the c63, s8 plus they all seem to have ground clearance below 120 mm. (I think these are the cars that have not been mentioned before?). And the ttrs plus coupe has gc of 135 mm just 2mm less than cut off.
please do add links and yeah, although 135mm is a completely arbitrary, there needs to be a fixed cutoff
I don't mean this in a bad way, but just wanna ask about the speed with which these changes get approved and maybe what the process is. With such a huge list of changes with provided sources and only two confirmed for the next update (it's the next update right? not some random one in the future?) why is it taking so long?
Hutch drop patches like every 2 full moons so... This is what we got lol
I don't mean this in a bad way, but just wanna ask about the speed with which these changes get approved and maybe what the process is. With such a huge list of changes with provided sources and only two confirmed for the next update (it's the next update right? not some random one in the future?) why is it taking so long?
I don't think we can expect many updates from this topic in the next update. Even though Hutch has a 'small team' of 72 people, this doesn't seem like much of a priority if they've given it to Tim to handle.
Let's just hope they fix a couple of the physics problems that they created recently.
oh I didn't realize that I have no idea how hutch does RQs
Once they add some new cars or adjust performance of current cars they rerun their RQ-program which assigns new adjusted rq. this causes some cars that are top or bottom of their current rq to go up or down.
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Sources:
2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS
https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911/20076/porsche-911-gt2-rs-officially-laps-the-ring-in-6473
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-911-gt2-rs-record-nuerburgring-nordschleife-sports-cars-road-approved-14277.html
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a12499392/why-porsche-911-gt2-rs-is-so-fast-at-nurburgring/
2018 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911-gt3-rs/20793/new-porsche-911-gt3-rs-dips-below-7min-at-the-ring
https://presse.porsche.de/prod/presse_pag/PressResources.nsf/Content?ReadForm&languageversionid=848187&hl=modelle-news
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a19870463/2019-porsche-911-gt3-rs-nurburgring-lap-time-video/
2015 911 GT3 RS
"The new 911 GT3 RS can lap the Nurburgring Nordschleife in 7 minutes, 20 seconds."
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2016-porsche-911-gt3-rs-review/
Alpine A310 V6 Turbo 1983
It did have a turbo but it wasn't part of the numenclature , only found it referred to as the A310 V6 (Group 4)u
Bhp is 200 -> should be 290
Peak torque is 210 -> should be 300 lb-ft
Weigh 1180-> should be 950 kg
Tyres should be off-road : car in the photo has a high rear wing which was only on the rally car
https://rallygroupbshrine.org/the-group-b-cars/rally-cars/renault-alpine-a310-v6/#a310v6specs
Ground Clearance 153mm should be medium
https://drawingdatabase.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/alpinea310_1a.jpg
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/bugatti-eb-16-4-veyron
As you can see, we get a lot of correction suggestions, and (as I'm sure you know), getting a lot of these stats 'right' isn't just a matter of looking at any one source. So it takes some time, which means we have to prioritise somehow, and one very efficient way is to ask players for sources. So I just apply that rule.
I can see how I might give a bad impression by not knowing obvious car things! This is why it's good we at least have @Hutch_Jonathan on the Top Drives show as he has way more knowledge in that area.
1/4 mile https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a13026928/mclaren-720s-quarter-mile-video/
1/2 mile time : https://www-dragtimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/www.dragtimes.com/blog/mclaren-720-12-half-mile-testing/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ==#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/mclaren-720-12-mile-testing
The 1/2 mile speed tested stock in hot weather was 174 better then my in game 720s only hitting 173 in the half mile and it's upgraded 1.3 2.3 2.3
Can't find a 1 mile test
Now the problem that I ran into and I thought I was going to run into is these 2 test were done on different surfaces, different temperatures and have different 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times. There are a lot of sources saying different times but majority of the big reliable sources show better times then the in game ones. Don't know what you should do there but I believe it deserves a boost.
Another thing that I think needs to be done is a grip boost especially if a mra boost doesn't happen. Here's a chart of track times.
As you can see the 720s is on top of the 918 and the GT. Heres the link so you can check it out yourself : https://www.motortrend.com/news/2018-mclaren-720s-first-test-review/
I could do some more research if it's needed, I have the car and really want it to get a boost. Just let me know.
I found this really interesting.
and yeah, although 135mm is a completely arbitrary, there needs to be a fixed cutoff
Hutch drop patches like every 2 full moons so... This is what we got lol
Let's just hope they fix a couple of the physics problems that they created recently.
This car has some errors. Top speed is 155 (ig 143), 0-60 is 6,5 (ig 7.1)
Link
https://www.autoevolution.com/cars/chrysler-crossfire-roadster-2004.html#aeng_chrysler-crossfire-roadster-2004-32-v6-5at-218-hp
This car used to be rq27 before for some time.
I have no idea how hutch does RQs