Car Corrections (updated 18th December 2018)

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  • mikesmikes Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TNThomas said:
    Not many cars will still have medium ground clearance after the next update... I am not sure if that’s a good thing or not.

    EDIT: Maybe it’s good to re-evaluate the value at which a car is labellef with ‘medium’. Maybe the currect value is fine, but maybe it could be changed slightly.
    More cars need to be bumped up to medium ground clearance than dropped down to low. It’s just more higher end cars should be (rightfully) classified as low. 
  • mikesmikes Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭✭✭
    krystian said:
    krystian said:
    Question is why I still bother to make car stats right IG?Why is taking so long?With all car correction stats it will take ages to make right.
    @HeissRod @mikes You are car corretions guys here...what do you thing about my correction post?
    Great corrections @krystian. Race Car performance stats are very hard to locate so the fact you got actual manufacturer stats is great.
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 5,105 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mikes said:
    krystian said:
    krystian said:
    Question is why I still bother to make car stats right IG?Why is taking so long?With all car correction stats it will take ages to make right.
    @HeissRod @mikes You are car corretions guys here...what do you thing about my correction post?
    Great corrections @krystian. Race Car performance stats are very hard to locate so the fact you got actual manufacturer stats is great.
    Agreed, but I don't know if Hutch will consider Wikipedia as a credible source.
  • shadowsockshadowsock Posts: 2
    The chevrolet beretta gtz has a 0-60 time of 11.1 sec in the game but in real life the gtz has a 0-60 time of 7.6 sec so thats a big differns wich shud be changed as fast as posible
  • Hutch_TimHutch_Tim Posts: 623 admin

    The first post is now too long for this forum! It will now maintain just corrections with links. This post will list remaining corrections without links and those that were rejected.

    Performance stats without links (if you want these to be prioritised, please provide links to back them up)

    S28 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'56".
    S29 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'47".

    A29 2015 Audi RS 3 Sportback: 0-60 4,1>3,9
    A28 2015 Cadillac CTS-V: all of the stats are for the next generation 2016 CTS-V. The 2015 CTS-V made 556 hp while the new 2016 CTS-V made 640 hp. (Wikipedia link)
    A26 2016 BMW X5 M50d: 0-60 5,3>5,0

    B22 2016 Vauxhall Maloo R8 LSA: Maloo should be faster (we have 0-100 in 11.3s, player quotes 0-100 in 9.3s). Tried to find sources but couldn't.
    B22 1997 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33): R32 skyline beats R33 in long drags. It's helped me a ton, but it's silly. (Implication is MRA of R33 is too weak, or possibly R32 is too strong). 
    B19 2014 Cadillac CTS Sport Wagon: 0-60 6,8>6,5

    C18 2011 Cadillac Escalade: 0-60 6,3>7,0
    C17 1999 Audi S6: wrong stats, currently Has a motor from C4 model 1994. 1999 model has 4.2 V8 engine with 344 hp, ingame model using 2.2 turbo 230 hp, same engine like Audi S2 use
    C17 1992 Porsche 968: 0-60 6,2>5,8
    C16 2008 Subaru Forester: Body style is currently 'estate', should be SUV (also true of the other Subaru Foresters)
    C15 1993 Nissan 200SX: Ground clearance 5.7in/145mm - should be medium
    C15 1979 Porsche 924 Turbo: 0-60 7,3>6,9 s
    C15 1978 Jaguar XJ-S Trans-Am: Handling of 75 seems too low, especially compared to similar vehicles i-game
    C15 1973 Porsche 911S 2.7: Ground clearance is 152mm so should be medium. Also year should be 1974. (link)

    D14 1980 Audi Quattro: 0-60 6,6>6,8
    D12 2002 BMW Turbo: 7,3>6,6
    D11 1989 BMW Z1: 0-60 7,8>9,0
    D11 2000 Chevrolet Blazer: The Blazer should have all surface tires. It’s a true body on frame SUV with a two speed transfer case. (currently has Standard tires)
    D11 1982 Porsche 944: 0-60 8,0>8,2 s

    E10 1976 Porsche 924: 0-60 9,1>11,6 s
    E10 1977 BMW 728i: 0-60 8,7>8,5
    E10 2016 Nissan Qashquai: Handling of 77 seems too high, especially compared to similar vehicles in-game
    E7 1969 Porsche 914: 0-60 12,3>13,7 s
    E7 1971 Mazda RX-3: Ground clearance looks like it should be medium

    F3 1980 Cadillac Seville: Cadillac seville 0-60 13,2>10,5


    Rejected corrections (by Hutch or countered by players)
    S28 2003 Porsche Carrera GT (prize car): In real life the Porsche Carrera GT has no traction control. Traction control cited here.
    A24 2015 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S: Should be 4WD. Rejected because RWD version exists and that's what we chose to use.
    S27 2007 Porsche 911 GT2: in game 911 gt2 2007 stats = 3,4 0-60 and 204 top real life 911 gt2 2007 stats = 3,8 0-60 and 204 top. 3.4s is correct
    S27 2004 Ford GT: Should be 2005 not 2004 The year is fine. The GT was sold from 2004 to 2006 (link)
    A23 1996 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IV: In evo 4 they place new AYC (Active Yaw Control) aka traction. Later models have SAYC (Super Active Yaw Control). In game they lack traction control.  The EVO IV does have AYC, but that is not the same as traction control. It would send more power left or right through the rear differential only, depending on the vehicle’s current yaw rate. It did not prevent wheel slip like a regular traction control system does. (link) (forum post)
    B22 2016 Cadillac XT5: 0-60 6,6>6,5. 6.6 is correct (link) (forum post)
    B22 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS Coupe: Ride height set at Medium (should be low, compared to the Camaro SS Convertible (same height?) Not sure which is correct. Not sure what this is arguing, but ride height is correctly low (link
    B21 2000 BMW Z8: 0-60 4,5>4,1 Seems fine - various sources have roughly similar times (4.6s4.2s4.5s)

  • Hutch_TimHutch_Tim Posts: 623 admin
    HeissRod said:
    mikes said:
    Agreed, but I don't know if Hutch will consider Wikipedia as a credible source.
    I've clarified this in the original post - Wikipedia is not a credible source, because anyone can edit it to whatever they want! Obviously that will tend to be corrected as Wikipedia editors are pretty good on average, but we can't rely on it. A good Wikipedia article will cite direct sources so use those if possible.
  • SubaruLover04SubaruLover04 Posts: 427 ✭✭✭✭
    What about the 720s? No change? Still looking into it? 
  • mikesmikes Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey @Hutch_Tim - for a lot of the cars listed missing links, is it still a case of having not been able to go through the entire thread as of yet to see all the corrections? I have posted many (non-wiki links) somewhere along these 12 pages.
  • Ivo_KamburovIvo_Kamburov Posts: 788 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2018
    What about the 720s? No change? Still looking into it? 
    What I understand is that all the others are agreed upon and he just listed the ones that still have no links and the rejections list, since it's not too extensive. 
    Am I right? 
  • TopDrives40778TopDrives40778 Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hutch_Tim said:

    The first post is now too long for this forum! It will now maintain just corrections with links. This post will list remaining corrections without links and those that were rejected.

    Performance stats without links (if you want these to be prioritised, please provide links to back them up)

    S28 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'56".
    S29 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'47".


    2018 GT3 RS and 2018 GT2 RS should both have better handling than the 2015 GT3 RS

    2015/2016 GT3 RS Nürburgring Nordschleife lap time:
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15107461/2016-porsche-911-gt3-rs-photos-and-info-news/
    "The 2016 GT3 RS’s 7-minute, 20-second lap time on the Nürburgring Nordschleife"

    2018 GT3 RS Nürburgring Nordschleife lap time:
    https://newsroom.porsche.com/fallback/en/products/porsche-911-gt3-rs-nuerburgring-nordschleife-lap-time-below-seven-minutes-normally-aspirated-engine-green-hell-kevin-estre-lars-kern-15250.html
    "New 911 GT3 RS sets a lap time of 6:56.4 minutes through the ‘Green Hell’"

    2018 GT2 RS Nürburgring Nordschleife lap time:
    https://newsroom.porsche.com/fallback/en/products/porsche-911-gt2-rs-record-nuerburgring-nordschleife-sports-cars-road-approved-14277.html
    "GT2 RS is the fastest 911 of all time at 6 minutes, 47.3 seconds"
  • Hutch_TimHutch_Tim Posts: 623 admin
    edited December 2018
    mikes said:
    Hey @Hutch_Tim - for a lot of the cars listed missing links, is it still a case of having not been able to go through the entire thread as of yet to see all the corrections? I have posted many (non-wiki links) somewhere along these 12 pages.
    Yep, thanks for your awesome work! On the first line of the first post I'm now adding a link to the post in the thread I'm currently up to. I think I've done about 6 of your mega-posts so far.

    What about the 720s? No change? Still looking into it? 
    What I understand is that all the others are agreed upon and he just listed the ones that still have no links and the rejections list, since it's not too extensive. 
    Am I right? 
    That's right. All the corrections with links (and therefore first to be considered) are in the first post. The 720S is at the top of that list, as it happens, since they are in declining order by RQ:
    http://forums.hutchgames.com/discussion/6058/car-corrections-updated-18th-december-2018/p1

    Hutch_Tim said:

    The first post is now too long for this forum! It will now maintain just corrections with links. This post will list remaining corrections without links and those that were rejected.

    Performance stats without links (if you want these to be prioritised, please provide links to back them up)

    S28 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'56".
    S29 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'47".


    2018 GT3 RS and 2018 GT2 RS should both have better handling than the 2015 GT3 RS

    2015/2016 GT3 RS Nürburgring Nordschleife lap time:
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15107461/2016-porsche-911-gt3-rs-photos-and-info-news/
    "The 2016 GT3 RS’s 7-minute, 20-second lap time on the Nürburgring Nordschleife"

    2018 GT3 RS Nürburgring Nordschleife lap time:
    https://newsroom.porsche.com/fallback/en/products/porsche-911-gt3-rs-nuerburgring-nordschleife-lap-time-below-seven-minutes-normally-aspirated-engine-green-hell-kevin-estre-lars-kern-15250.html
    "New 911 GT3 RS sets a lap time of 6:56.4 minutes through the ‘Green Hell’"

    2018 GT2 RS Nürburgring Nordschleife lap time:
    https://newsroom.porsche.com/fallback/en/products/porsche-911-gt2-rs-record-nuerburgring-nordschleife-sports-cars-road-approved-14277.html
    "GT2 RS is the fastest 911 of all time at 6 minutes, 47.3 seconds"
    Thanks for the links! This is probably the best way to make a case for a handling change.
    Post edited by Hutch_Tim on
  • ManUtdTobbeManUtdTobbe Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is Nürburgring about handling though? 
  • PlantedZebraPlantedZebra Posts: 432 ✭✭✭
    edited December 2018
    Welp, I posted tons of Japanese cars corrections and none of them went through yet xD (don't take this too seriously lel)
  • krystiankrystian Posts: 653 ✭✭✭✭
    @Hutch_Tim I hope nissan GTR and Nismo are on your list too.I posted skidpad results of Evo X and GTR where IG Evo X is 98 grip and GTR only 95.
  • shadowsockshadowsock Posts: 2
    Having this car fixed whoud make me really glad as i enjoy jusing it even now that its not up to spec
  • mikesmikes Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wikipedia links are not accepted. But, if you scroll back through the thread, I already cited actual road tests for the Beretta.
  • Ivo_KamburovIvo_Kamburov Posts: 788 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2018
    Hey Hutch, can you actually provide your sources for the McLaren P1 GTR's 0-60 acceleration? I swear there's no info anywhere, even evo magazine is showing estimates only: https://www.evo.co.uk/mclaren/mclaren-p1-gtr
  • DodecaneDodecane Posts: 101 ✭✭
    RQ27 Porsche Panamera Turbo: Ground clearance is 112mm, should be low instead of medium.
    https://www.autoevolution.com/cars/porsche-panamera-turbo-970-2009.html#aeng_porsche-panamera-turbo-2009-48-v8-turbo
    RQ29 Porsche Panamera Turbo: Should be low as well but I couldn't find its minimum ground clearance
  • DodecaneDodecane Posts: 101 ✭✭
    edited December 2018
    RQ29 McLaren F1 LM: 0-60 time should be 2.8s instead of 3.1s
    http://accelerationtimes.com/models/mclaren-f1-lm
    MRA should be buffed as well, 0-100 time is 5.9s, in Top Drives its >6s.
    https://fastestlaps.com/models/mclaren-f1-lm
    It should have better MRA than the Mclaren F1.
    Record duly broken, the team turns its attention to the in-gear figures. How much quicker through the gears is the LM than the standard road car? In third gear, the F1 takes 3.1 seconds to fire from 60-100 mph, while the LM takes 2.8. In fifth, the 70-110-mph increment becomes a yawning 1.0-second chasm, a gaping hole in the F1's previously invincible curve. Once you get up to 70 mph in fifth gear, the LM opens up half a second on its road cousin, which has never in its life been even touchable.
    https://www.motortrend.com/news/2000-mclaren-f1-supercar/
  • TopDrives40778TopDrives40778 Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Hutch_Tim   Here is an independent test of the 720S (not race fuel or on a drag strip)

    0 to 60 in 2.7s, Standing ¼-mile: 10.2 sec @ 145 mph
    https://www.caranddriver.com/mclaren/720s
  • rafa3l722rafa3l722 Posts: 60 ✭✭✭
    RQ17 1999 Mercedes-AMG C 43: Picture shows a C 36 instead of a C 43
    https://www.favcars.com/mercedes-benz-c-36-amg-w202-1993-97-pictures-260684.htm

  • Huskic69Huskic69 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rafa3l722 said:
    RQ17 1999 Mercedes-AMG C 43: Picture shows a C 36 instead of a C 43
    https://www.favcars.com/mercedes-benz-c-36-amg-w202-1993-97-pictures-260684.htm

    they are aesthetically the same car
  • AntounAntoun Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Dodge Viper SRT should have better MRA than the Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat


  • AntounAntoun Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2018
    Porsche 918 Spyder Nurburgring Lap Time 


    Dodge Viper ACR 2017 Nurburgring Lap Time


    Clearly something is wrong with this Viper, should be REALLY more efficient !!!

    6 Seconds between these 2 cars on a HUGE circuit, so the Viper ACR must be really close to the 918 Spyder on fast circuit for example.
  • krystiankrystian Posts: 653 ✭✭✭✭
    joel24 said:

    Somethings wrong .
    OFC is wrong...On every new car manufacture update Hutch overpowered new relase cars to make it more attractive than they are.Nothing new for me..
  • Hutch_RobinHutch_Robin Posts: 843 admin
    krystian said:
    OFC is wrong...On every new car manufacture update Hutch overpowered new relase cars to make it more attractive than they are.Nothing new for me..
    No, we don't.
  • lemmings99olemmings99o Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭✭✭
    krystian said:
    OFC is wrong...On every new car manufacture update Hutch overpowered new relase cars to make it more attractive than they are.Nothing new for me..
    No, we don't.
    Oh yes you do,
    He's behind you.
    Well it is panto season lol
  • krystiankrystian Posts: 653 ✭✭✭✭
    krystian said:
    OFC is wrong...On every new car manufacture update Hutch overpowered new relase cars to make it more attractive than they are.Nothing new for me..
    No, we don't.
    How you dare!😂
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