Rarity changes and corrections in PL8 (March 2019)
Hutch_Tim
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With the upcoming release of PL8, the following cars will change in rarity:
List of corrections is as follows:
Notes on rarity/RQ changes
To determine RQ, all cars are run stock on a representative sample of tracks. We note their relative rank in three types of conditions: dry, wet, and off-road. The condition it performs best in is weighted most heavily when determining the overall rank; the condition it performs worst in is weighted the least.
The latest version of the RQ balancing encompasses the following changes:
- Includes all the cars that have been confirmed since the last RQ rebalance (which includes many cars for future updates)
- The corrections listed above
- The fix to heavier cars being faster up hills
- The traction changes for 4WD vehicles (where 4WD Perf tires are now much weaker on off-road, and a bit weaker in rain, relative to other 4WD cars)
Do note that some 4WD perf vehicles are differently affected by this combination of changes:
- Some (not many) rank higher in dry than in wet, so their dry performance is more heavily weighted, and their RQ is less impacted by the traction change
- With this latest RQ run, quite a few more Slick tire cars are added to the list, which improves the ranking of 4WD perf cars in the wet (as there are more cars that they beat). This somewhat offsets their slightly reduced effectiveness in wet with the traction change.
- The distribution of newer cars also affects how much a given car's rank may change.
List of corrections is as follows:
| RQ27 S 2015 Cadillac CTS-V (PRIZE CAR) | New image and year corrected to 2016. |
| RQ30 S Bugatti Veyron, RQ30 S Grand Sport (PRIZE CAR) and RQ30 S Super Sport | All 3 have had MRA improved |
| RQ24 A 2016 BMW M5 | 0-60 improved. |
| RQ27 S Porsche 959 Dakar (PRIZE CAR) | Top speed reduced to 130mph after getting new data. |
| RQ28 S TVR Cerbera Speed 12 (PRIZE CAR) | Top speed and 0-60 improved in response to community sourced manufacturer claims. |
| RQ16 C (will become B ) Renault/Alpine A310 V6 Turbo (PRIZE CAR) | Name and stats changed to reflect the fact this is Group 4/B spec |
| RQ27 S 2016 Mercedes-AMG GT3 | Name has been corrected to SLS GT3. |
| RQ30 A 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ-400 (PRIZE CAR) | New photo, name and date corrected to be Evo VIII |
| RQ27 S 2016 Dodge Viper ACR | MRA has been improved |
| RQ25 A 2016 Jaguar F-Type Convertible | Model in-game is now the correct colour. |
| RQ20 B 1954 Jaguar D-Type | 0-60 corrected from 3.7 to 4.7s. |
| RQ19 B 1998 BMW 540i | Year corrected to 1993. |
| RQ24 A 2006 Mercedes-AMG E 63 | Year corrected to 2011. |
| RQ30 A 2013 Audi S8 plus | Year corrected to 2015. |
| RQ29 S 2017 Porsche Macan Turbo S Performance Pack | Name corrected by removing 'S'. |
| RQ30 S 2018 McLaren 720S | 0-60 and MRA improved after new test data was sourced. |
| RQ24 A 2018 Chevrolet Copo Camaro (PRIZE CAR) | Tyres changed to slicks, handling reduced |
| RQ23 A 2003 Mercedes-AMG E 55 | New image. |
| RQ25 A 1966 Jaguar XJ13 | New image. |
| RQ26 A 2005 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 | New image. |
| RQ24 A 2015 Mercedes CLS 400 | New image. |
| RQ26 A 2018 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE (PRIZE CAR) | MRA improved |
Notes on rarity/RQ changes
To determine RQ, all cars are run stock on a representative sample of tracks. We note their relative rank in three types of conditions: dry, wet, and off-road. The condition it performs best in is weighted most heavily when determining the overall rank; the condition it performs worst in is weighted the least.
The latest version of the RQ balancing encompasses the following changes:
- Includes all the cars that have been confirmed since the last RQ rebalance (which includes many cars for future updates)
- The corrections listed above
- The fix to heavier cars being faster up hills
- The traction changes for 4WD vehicles (where 4WD Perf tires are now much weaker on off-road, and a bit weaker in rain, relative to other 4WD cars)
Do note that some 4WD perf vehicles are differently affected by this combination of changes:
- Some (not many) rank higher in dry than in wet, so their dry performance is more heavily weighted, and their RQ is less impacted by the traction change
- With this latest RQ run, quite a few more Slick tire cars are added to the list, which improves the ranking of 4WD perf cars in the wet (as there are more cars that they beat). This somewhat offsets their slightly reduced effectiveness in wet with the traction change.
- The distribution of newer cars also affects how much a given car's rank may change.
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Comments
Why would you downgrade Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IV?!!? It is one of the key cars in 90s events and I just recently upgraded it...
And no fix to Demon
Guess I’ll just have to list this picture as being wrong again for about the 6th time and hope it gets done in the next update. 🤷🏻♂️
Personally I am anticipating for the Bugatti MRA boost. Needed it for a long time.
That D-type change is interesting. Is most of the speed being lost towards the top end of the 0-60? It's hard to see it beating the ZR2 and staying ultra-rare if it's losing its low end speed as it's already slower past 60ish.
Also, Nerfing 4wd + perf cars then quattro moving to super rare seems extremely bizarre
I have 2 of these 10 cars, guess which ones... sigh
That's why.
Wait, what? 1 of the weakest MRA cars I can think of is adding 1 second to its 0-60 and it's still a B? There must be some kind of MRA adjustment too?
How did we go from the list for review below in December to the very short actual list of corrections?
Corrections for review
Performance stats with links (not Wikipedia!)
S30 2018 McLaren 720S: Now that the car has been released its proven to be much better. The new tested 0-60 is 2.5 seconds! And the drag times are far better then they are in game. (link, although not sure if using race fuel)
S29 2017 Porsche Macan Turbo S Performance Pack: 0-60 4.2>4.0, or even 3.7s as per this test: (link). Note The Performance Package is called the ‘S’ in other markets. This link suggests a 0-60 of 3.5s (link)
S29 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS: Handling of 92 should be the same or better than the 2015 911 GT3 RS (93 handling) due to increase in downforce and better tire technology. Compare Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - 2015 gets 7'20", 2018 gets 6'47". (link)
S28 2017 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon: Seems to combine race flashed ECU + race fuel + skinny front tire version with regular version, and MRA seems slow. 840 peak power and 2.3s 0-60 time suggests race-flashed, but that would do a 1/4m in under 10s (rather than 10.3s seen in-game); race-flashed also should have much worse handling with those skinny front tires. (Discussion with links from this post onwards)
S28 2015 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: Incorrect driverless weight of 1420 (DIN), should be 1495 (EU) to be brought into line with the 2018 GT3 RS and GT2 RS (EU) weights. (link)
S28 2003 Porsche Carrera GT: 0-60 3,7>3,5 (link)
S27 2010 Porsche Panamera Turbo: 0-60 4,0>3,7. Could be as low as 3.5s (link)
S27 1986 Porsche 959 Dakar: top speed 160>130 (official Porsche museum) (link)
A30 2015 Audi RS 7 Sportback: Ground clearance is 109mm, should be low (link)
A30 2013 Audi RS 6 Avant: Ground clearance is 114mm, should be low (link) - but can also be adjusted to 145mm with "air ride" so no change needed?
A30 2013 Audi RS 6 Avant: 0-60 3.7 > 3.8 (link) also note 0-62 time of 3.9s (link)
A29 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ-400: User believes the stats are incorrectly taken from the "evo viii 2003-2005 fq400 rather than the Evo X FQ-400 pictured”. Evo X FQ-400 is definitely slower - year/name/picture should probably change (link)
A26 2016 Cadillac CT6: 0-60 is too fast at 5.0s - does 0-62 in 5.7s (see Evo link) (link)
A25 2016 BMW M6: Ground clearance is 107mm, should be low (link)
A26 2015 Audi TTS Coupe: Ground clearance is 114mm, should be low (link)
A26 2012 Audi RS 5 Cabriolet: Ground clearance is 104mm, should be low (link)
A26 2001 Porsche 911 GT2: 0-60 3.9>3.8 0-60, Top Speed 196 > 194 (pdf link)
A26 1995 Porsche 911 Turbo: 0-60 4,3>3,7 (pdf link)
A25 2012 Ford Mustang BOSS 302: Should have 4 seats, not 5 (image)
A25 2017 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport: 0-60 should be 3.5, and top speed 195mph (link)
A25 2000 Audi RS 4 Avant: Ground clearance is 100mm, should be low (link)
A25 1966 Jaguar XJ13: The picture of the XJ13 is a replica. Please fix this. The rims are different. There are a line of rivets along the side air intakes on the original, and they're bigger. (Pictures in linked post) (link)
A25 2016 Porsche Boxster Spyder: 0-60 4,3>4,0 (link)
A25 2017 Porsche 718 Boxster S: Automatic did 0-60in 3.6s (currently 3.8). Note the manual does 0-60 in 4.3s. (link)
A25 2016 BMW M6: 0-60 4,2>4,0 (link)
A25 2013 BMW M6 Gran Coupe: 0-60 4,0>3,5 (link)
A25 2007 Mercedes-AMG CLK 63 Black Series: Ground clearance is 118mm so should be low (link)
A25 2007 Mercedes-AMG CLK DTM: Ground clearance is 119mm so should be low (link)
A24 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1: MRA should improve - 0-60 looks ok but can do a 1/4m in 11.9s (currently stock does 12.4s in game) (link)
A24 2005 BMW M5 2016: Ground clearance is 112mm, should be low (link)
A24 2006 Audi S8: 0-60 4.9s - shoud be 5.1s or 5.3s depending on which mileage you chose (pdf link)
A24 2016 BMW M5: 0-60 4,3>3,7 link for the 2013 model, but without the performance package it was the same car in 2016 (pdf link)
A23 1999 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34): Ground clearance is 145mm, should be medium (unless it's V-spec) (pdf link)
A23 1994 Audi RS 2 Avant: Ground clearance is 100mm, should be low (link)
A23 2016 Mercedes-Benz AMG S 65 Coupe: Ground clearance is 114mm, should be low (link)
B22 2009 Ford Focus RS: Ground clearance is 99mm, should be low (link)
B22 1997 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33): Ground clearance is 173mm, should be medium (unless it's V-spec) (link)
B22 2017 Porsche 718 Boxster: 0-60 should be 4.9s, handling should be 85 like the RQ22 718 Cayman as it's the same weight/tyres/chassis (link)
B21 1993 Audi S2 Coupe: 0-60/top 5.5s > 6.6s, 154>152 (link)
B21 1989 Nissan Skyeline GT-R (R32): Ground clearance is 161mm, should be medium (unless it's V-spec) (link)
B21 2006 Cadillac XLR-V: Ground clearance is 168mm, should be medium (link)
B21 2012 Chevrolet Camaro Convertible: Ride height set to low - see 2013 model in link (link)
B20 2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8: Mid-range should be better.. HeissRod notes that it has the same Drivetrain as the Chrysler 300 SRT-8 which currently beats it. (link to supercars.net)
B20 1973 Porsche 911 Carrera 2.7 RS: Ground clearance is 152mm so should be medium (link)
B19 1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS: MRA is too slow, should do 0-100 in 11.8s (link)
C18 2012 Ford Focus ST: Incorrectly has the same stats as 2005 Ford Focust ST Superchips. Top speed should be 154mph, weight should be 1,362kg. Mid-range potentially different as well. (link)
C18 2005 Ford Focus ST Superchips: 0-60 should be 6.2s instead of 6.5s, top speed 155mph instead of 150mph - tuned version, distinct from the regular Focus ST (link)
C16 1995 Honda Integra Type R: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
C16 2004 Cadillac XLR Roadster: Ground clearance is 168mm, should be medium (link)
C16 2004 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 Coupe: The 0-60 is way too high on this car (6.2s). Car and Driver has this car hitting 0-60 in 5.1 seconds.
C16 2004 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 Coupe: The 0-60 is way too high on this car (6.2s). Car and Driver has this car hitting 0-60 in 5.1 seconds. (link)
C15 2004 Dodge SRT-4: Stats don't match model/year. Should be: For the 2004 model year (as pictured and listed on the card); HP = 230; Torque = 250; 0-60 - 5.2 seconds; Top Speed - 153 mph; Handling - should be much higher than 73. Probably about 80 or so; Height - 1.42 (link)
C15 2015 Lotus Elise 1.6: Ground clearance is 140mm, should be medium (link)
D14 1966 Fiat 124 Sport Spider: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
D14 2003 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Jeff Gordon Edition: Should be FWD (link to classiccars.com)
D14 1980 Audi quattro: Ground clearance is 115mm, should be low (link)
D13 1996 Honda Prelude Type S: Ground clearance is 145mm, should be medium (link)
D12 1988 Honda CRX VTEC: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
D11 1987 Honda Prelude 2.0Si 4WS: Ground clearance is 140mm, should be medium (link)
D11 1985 Fiat Uno Turbo: the image of the fiat uno turbo belong to the 1989-93 edition. That is not an iconic car at all, has differents specs and, cause it looks like the Fiat Tipo, was named "tipino". And is sh**t in comparison of the Uno Turbo '85. (wiki link) The correct image car for the UNO TURBO is something like this (image in linked post) (link)
D11 1962 Lotus Elan: Ground clearance is 152mm, should be medium (link)
E9 2013 Caterham Seven 270: Should have standard tires (specifically it has ZT5 tires) (link 1 link 2)
E9 2016 Honda CR-Z: Ground clearance is 150mm, should be medium (link)
E8 1983 Honda Civic CRX Si: Ground clearance is 160mm, should be medium (link)
F6 1991 Chevrolet Beretta GTZ: The Beretta GTZ stats are off. It does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, not 11.1. Handling should also be higher. I believe the performance stats were taken from a base car and not the GTZ. (youtube link)
F5 1991 Chevrolet Caprice: The 0-60 for the Caprice should be closer to 10 seconds (current in-game is 12.5s). Even the heavier wagon pulled off a 10.5 second run in 1991. Here's the video. (link)
F5 2016 Renault Twizy: Ground clearance is 120mm, should be medium (link)
F4 1983 Chevrolet Camaro berlinetta: 0-60 should be around 10s (currently 15s!). Here is a comparison from 1983. Click the 'Test results' box on the right of the screen for the magazine's performance results. (link)
Picture/year/model-name
S29 2017 Porsche Macan Turbo S Performance Pack: there is no turbo S Macan.... this should be Macan Turbo performance pack
S27 2016 Mercedes-AMG GT3: Picture is actually of SLS GT3
A30 2013 Audi S8 plus: Not actually released until 2015
A25 2016 Jaguar F-Type Convertible: Image is silver, in-game model is red
A24 2015 Mercedes CLS 400: The Mercedes CLS 400 has a picture of a Mercedes CLS 63 AMG
A24 2006 Mercedes-AMG E 63: "this Mercedes E 63 AMG is a 2006 when the design shown in the picture looks like a 2010 model."
A24 2012 Mercedes-AMG C 63: Wrong picture, in-game shows W205 model, the correct one is W204 facelift.
A24 2012 Mercedes-AMG C 63: Weight should be 1655 kg.
A23 2003 Mercedes-AMG E 55: Wrong pic - looks like a 1999 model
A23 2001 Chevrolet Z06: Wrong pic - shows a regular C5, not the C5 Z06
A23 2005 Chevrolet Corvette Z06: Wrong pic - this is a ZR1
A23 2009 Mercedes-AMG S 63: Wrong picture, in-game shows W222 model, the correct one is W221 facelift
A23 2017 Chevrolet Camaro SS: The HP and torque of this camaro are correct but the picture and weight is of the 2015 version not the 2017, the weight should be 1671kg not 1783kg
B20 1993 Subaru Impreza WRX: The Subaru WRX STI's card lists the year as 1993 yet the picture shows a 1999 model.
B19 1999 Mercedes-Benz E 430: Weight should be 1650kg instead of 1580kg (Claimed EU version)
B19 1998 BMW 540i: Either picture or year is wrong... "The BMW 540i come in September 1992. Until September 1992 the top model from the E34 line was the 535 with a 6 cylinder. The 530i and the 540i with 8 cylinder come with the facelift in September 1992"
C18 2016 Infiniti QX50: Wrong pic - pic shows an EX-37
C18 1999 Honda S2000: Wrong pic - shows the newer version of the S2000
C18 1981 Chevrolet Corvette ZR2: Should be 1971. (link to Superchevy.com)
C17 1997 Volvo 850 AWD: stats are correct, but the image is wrong (it shows a 1992/1993 GLT model). The correct image should be a 850 station wagon (that was the only 850 that came in AWD form). Also: "Current picture shows a 1992 sedan 850. All AWD 850s were wagons and had the later facelift (1994-1997)."
C16 1984 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z: The IROC-Z didn’t appear until 1985. The year and specs associated with this card would suggest the 1984 Camaro Z/28. The image and name need to be corrected.
C16 2016 Subaru Outback: The photo is of the previous generation model. (example in post)
C16 2016 Subaru Outback: Wrong pic - it shows the 2008 model
C15 1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS 454: Incorrect image
D13 2016 Ford Focus ST TDCi Estate: this pic should be a facelift model
D12 1996 Citroen Saxo VTS 16V: "The Citroen Saxo is wrong as the year is 1996 and the photo is of a MK2 version that came out in 1999 onwards."
D10 1992 Renault Safrane Biturbo: Wrong picture, see link for correct pic (link)
E10 1976 Porsche 924: image is of a 924 Turbo, not a regular 924. The offset hood scoop and extra grille intakes in the bumper are of a turbo model.
E9 2011 Chevrolet Aveo: Picture is actually of a Chevrolet Sonic
E8 1978 Ford Capri 3.0 S: incorrect picture. Depicted is a more modern Capri 2.8i, recognizable by alloys, side mirrors in a chassis paintjob and a thin red line on side of the car. The 3 litre in S spec had "S" vinyl sticker on lower part of it's side and classic "daisy" alloys.
F6 1981 Ford Fiesta XR2: "The Ford Fiesta xr2 is the wrong year. I told them about this before the update as they had the year as a MK3 Fiesta xr2i but a photo of a MK2 xr2. Now they have gone wrong the other way and have the year as a MK1 xr2 instead of a MK2 xr2 that it is."
F4 1993 Suzuki Wagon R: Wrong pic - this is a 2010 Wagon R
F4 1997 Mercedes-Benz A 160: Wrong pic - card says 1997, but the pic is a newer model
For corrections that do not yet have links, and rejected corrections, see this post (split out otherwise this post is too long for the forum)