Is the upgrade rate same for all cars?

TimButTimBut Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭✭
Often we compare Stock cars and make decisions based on result. COuld it be upgrades for 1 car can improve its perfomance much more than upgades for another car? 

will the difference stay the same as with stock comparisons? 

Maybe Im stupid and its obvious &

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  • ManUtdTobbeManUtdTobbe Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I assume it’s % based which makes it the same
  • TD42792TD42792 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TimBut said:
    Often we compare Stock cars and make decisions based on result. COuld it be upgrades for 1 car can improve its perfomance much more than upgades for another car? 

    will the difference stay the same as with stock comparisons? 

    Maybe Im stupid and its obvious &
    I definitely remember instances where upgraded cars produced different results from stock (ie on a given track, A wins vs B when stock but B wins vs A when upgraded).
    Could be because of game dynamics but it also seems like different upgrades have different impacts, not always the same as a %. Sometimes upgrading weight improves top speed, sometimes it doesnt iirc.
  • TD42792TD42792 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is one example I retrieved:

    City medium - atsugi 4.1 / tokyo 7.1

    1:17:96 saxo vts 969 and 130tc 969

    1:22:96 130tc 000

    1:23:19 saxo vts 000

  • hillclimberhillclimber Posts: 2,233 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2019
    of course upgrades don't strait correlate with the lap times. I think the question is more if it has always the same impact % wise on the stats. E.g.:

    Vauxhall Tigra TwinTop
    @000
    Peak Power
    89
    Weight
    1235

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    92
    Weight
    1192

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3.2
    Weight
    -3.6
    ---------------------------------------------

    Pontiac Fiero
    @000
    Peak Power
    92
    Weight
    1136

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    95
    Weight
    1096

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3.3
    Weight
    -3.6
    ------------------------------------------

    Volvo C70 T5
    @000
    Peak Power
    227
    Weight
    1711

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    234
    Weight
    1651

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6
    --------------------------------------------

    Ford F-150 Raptor
    @000
    Peak Power
    450
    Weight
    2631

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    464
    Weight
    2539

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6
    ----------------------------------------------

    Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
    @000
    Peak Power
    755
    Weight
    1598

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    779
    Weight
    1542

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6


    Conclusion after this quick testing:
    reducing weight seems to have a linear impact of -3.6% for a complete tuning stage, while upgrading the engine seems to do a plus 3%( not certain for the next two stages). 


  • David_FookDavid_Fook Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ooohhh I smell a graph coming on...
  • TGPDTGPD Posts: 6,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TD01055 said:
    Ooohhh I smell a graph coming on...

    quick mafs
  • TD42792TD42792 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    of course upgrades don't strait correlate with the lap times. I think the question is more if it has always the same impact % wise on the stats. E.g.:

    Vauxhall Tigra TwinTop
    @000
    Peak Power
    89
    Weight
    1235

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    92
    Weight
    1192

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3.2
    Weight
    -3.6
    ---------------------------------------------

    Pontiac Fiero
    @000
    Peak Power
    92
    Weight
    1136

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    95
    Weight
    1096

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3.3
    Weight
    -3.6
    ------------------------------------------

    Volvo C70 T5
    @000
    Peak Power
    227
    Weight
    1711

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    234
    Weight
    1651

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6
    --------------------------------------------

    Ford F-150 Raptor
    @000
    Peak Power
    450
    Weight
    2631

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    464
    Weight
    2539

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6
    ----------------------------------------------

    Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
    @000
    Peak Power
    755
    Weight
    1598

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    779
    Weight
    1542

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6


    Conclusion after this quick testing:
    reducing weight seems to have a linear impact of -3.6% for a complete tuning stage, while upgrading the engine seems to do a plus 3%( not certain for the next two stages). 


    Interesting.
    The vauxhall tigra tt and fiero do not get +3% in power from the upgrade, so it seems different cars will actually get slightly different results from the same upgrade, no?
    Also this is for the first stage of upgrade, could be different in stages 2 and 3.
  • TGPDTGPD Posts: 6,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TD42792 said:
    of course upgrades don't strait correlate with the lap times. I think the question is more if it has always the same impact % wise on the stats. E.g.:

    Vauxhall Tigra TwinTop
    @000
    Peak Power
    89
    Weight
    1235

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    92
    Weight
    1192

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3.2
    Weight
    -3.6
    ---------------------------------------------

    Pontiac Fiero
    @000
    Peak Power
    92
    Weight
    1136

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    95
    Weight
    1096

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3.3
    Weight
    -3.6
    ------------------------------------------

    Volvo C70 T5
    @000
    Peak Power
    227
    Weight
    1711

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    234
    Weight
    1651

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6
    --------------------------------------------

    Ford F-150 Raptor
    @000
    Peak Power
    450
    Weight
    2631

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    464
    Weight
    2539

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6
    ----------------------------------------------

    Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
    @000
    Peak Power
    755
    Weight
    1598

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    779
    Weight
    1542

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6


    Conclusion after this quick testing:
    reducing weight seems to have a linear impact of -3.6% for a complete tuning stage, while upgrading the engine seems to do a plus 3%( not certain for the next two stages). 


    Interesting.
    The vauxhall tigra tt and fiero do not get +3% in power from the upgrade, so it seems different cars will actually get slightly different results from the same upgrade, no?
    Also this is for the first stage of upgrade, could be different in stages 2 and 3.
    It could be because the Tigra and Fiero have few horsepower. When you have a car with more horsepower it can provide a more accurate whole number as it's 103% figure.
    i.e. 85hp*103%=87.55≈88hp
    but 88/85≈1.035
    297hp*103%=305.91≈306hp
    306/297=1.03030303...
    So smaller numbers often result in a bigger difference that needs to be rounded up or down. The percentile difference would be magnified for smalled HP numbers.
    For example 10124*103%=10427.72≈10428, but this 0.28 roundup is insignificant in such a big number as 10428 compared to 0.28 in, 50 for example.
    So therefore 10428/10124=1.03002...
  • TD42792TD42792 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TGPD said:
    TD42792 said:
    of course upgrades don't strait correlate with the lap times. I think the question is more if it has always the same impact % wise on the stats. E.g.:

    Vauxhall Tigra TwinTop
    @000
    Peak Power
    89
    Weight
    1235

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    92
    Weight
    1192

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3.2
    Weight
    -3.6
    ---------------------------------------------

    Pontiac Fiero
    @000
    Peak Power
    92
    Weight
    1136

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    95
    Weight
    1096

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3.3
    Weight
    -3.6
    ------------------------------------------

    Volvo C70 T5
    @000
    Peak Power
    227
    Weight
    1711

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    234
    Weight
    1651

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6
    --------------------------------------------

    Ford F-150 Raptor
    @000
    Peak Power
    450
    Weight
    2631

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    464
    Weight
    2539

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6
    ----------------------------------------------

    Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
    @000
    Peak Power
    755
    Weight
    1598

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    779
    Weight
    1542

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6


    Conclusion after this quick testing:
    reducing weight seems to have a linear impact of -3.6% for a complete tuning stage, while upgrading the engine seems to do a plus 3%( not certain for the next two stages). 


    Interesting.
    The vauxhall tigra tt and fiero do not get +3% in power from the upgrade, so it seems different cars will actually get slightly different results from the same upgrade, no?
    Also this is for the first stage of upgrade, could be different in stages 2 and 3.
    It could be because the Tigra and Fiero have few horsepower. When you have a car with more horsepower it can provide a more accurate whole number as it's 103% figure.
    i.e. 85hp*103%=87.55≈88hp
    but 88/85≈1.035
    297hp*103%=305.91≈306hp
    306/297=1.03030303...
    So smaller numbers often result in a bigger difference that needs to be rounded up or down. The percentile difference would be magnified for smalled HP numbers.
    For example 10124*103%=10427.72≈10428, but this 0.28 roundup is insignificant in such a big number as 10428 compared to 0.28 in, 50 for example.
    So therefore 10428/10124=1.03002...
    If it is rounding then it would support the theory that all same upgrade cycles are identical in % gains for all cars.
    Interesting.
    If Hutch could be bothered they would actually give us the answer...
  • RexKwonDoRexKwonDo Posts: 63 ✭✭✭
    TD01055 said:
    Ooohhh I smell a graph coming on...

    This is a thing of beauty.
  • hillclimberhillclimber Posts: 2,233 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TD42792 said:
    TGPD said:
    TD42792 said:
    of course upgrades don't strait correlate with the lap times. I think the question is more if it has always the same impact % wise on the stats. E.g.:

    Vauxhall Tigra TwinTop
    @000
    Peak Power
    89
    Weight
    1235

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    92
    Weight
    1192

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3.2
    Weight
    -3.6
    ---------------------------------------------

    Pontiac Fiero
    @000
    Peak Power
    92
    Weight
    1136

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    95
    Weight
    1096

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3.3
    Weight
    -3.6
    ------------------------------------------

    Volvo C70 T5
    @000
    Peak Power
    227
    Weight
    1711

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    234
    Weight
    1651

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6
    --------------------------------------------

    Ford F-150 Raptor
    @000
    Peak Power
    450
    Weight
    2631

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    464
    Weight
    2539

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6
    ----------------------------------------------

    Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
    @000
    Peak Power
    755
    Weight
    1598

    @330 (number by the new system)
    Peak Power
    779
    Weight
    1542

    in %
    Peak Power
    +3
    Weight
    -3.6


    Conclusion after this quick testing:
    reducing weight seems to have a linear impact of -3.6% for a complete tuning stage, while upgrading the engine seems to do a plus 3%( not certain for the next two stages). 


    Interesting.
    The vauxhall tigra tt and fiero do not get +3% in power from the upgrade, so it seems different cars will actually get slightly different results from the same upgrade, no?
    Also this is for the first stage of upgrade, could be different in stages 2 and 3.
    It could be because the Tigra and Fiero have few horsepower. When you have a car with more horsepower it can provide a more accurate whole number as it's 103% figure.
    i.e. 85hp*103%=87.55≈88hp
    but 88/85≈1.035
    297hp*103%=305.91≈306hp
    306/297=1.03030303...
    So smaller numbers often result in a bigger difference that needs to be rounded up or down. The percentile difference would be magnified for smalled HP numbers.
    For example 10124*103%=10427.72≈10428, but this 0.28 roundup is insignificant in such a big number as 10428 compared to 0.28 in, 50 for example.
    So therefore 10428/10124=1.03002...
    If it is rounding then it would support the theory that all same upgrade cycles are identical in % gains for all cars.
    Interesting.
    If Hutch could be bothered they would actually give us the answer...
    absolutely, I should have mentioned that. the difference comes only from the rounding or the numbers after the decimal point that we can't see, I'm convinced. 
  • UltimateUltimate Posts: 777 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TD01055 said:
    Ooohhh I smell a graph coming on...

    You can take that home to your mum and hang it on the bedroom wall you Li’l artist
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