Late join thread1000

SchmidtiSchmidti Posts: 244 ✭✭✭
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Hey everyone, 

Thread number 1000 to the topic late join.

I did a late join in the recent finals
I was successful 
It feels bad... 

Hutch you have to do something about this. All things your tried don't work. Why not close brackets 2h before they end. In my mind this would give the chance that good hands would be at the top even in the bracket which just opend before 2h bracket closing. 

I won the Citroën with this hand:

In a normal bracket this would be max t3. 

But the important thing is. Winning the car wasn't fun. It was pure luck. 
But isn't a game about having fun? 
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  • OzzmanOzzman Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know that feeling, even though I have never won a prize car by late joining. I finished 9th in the BX finals with a better hand than yours (joining 4 minutes before the end), and that still feels wrong. Actually this was the first tri-series where I used this kind of joining tactics in all three events. 7th place in the qualifier event without a Megane, happy with that (had to buy a set of tickets). Didn't quite work in the prelims, I finished 90th (tier 4), with a hand that I thought was better than my quali hand. And then 9th in the finals. Had I played all events from the start, I think I'd have finished in tier 3-4 everywhere. Luck plays a much bigger role in this game than it should be.
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  • RuvlaRuvla Posts: 136 ✭✭✭
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  • greddygreddy Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tried late join, got full bracket 3 wins got me to 71 place, so it doesnt worl always. :) 
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  • bantel_catbantel_cat Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tried too with 30s to go, one win. Tier 3.
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  • MalaniMalani Posts: 105 ✭✭✭
    AndreasSimmer said:
    Please close the brackets some hours before the event ends. Its not right that people get the car with a handfull of wins while others spend real money and time on it (or missing it). Its frustrating to most and takes away the fun of competing.
    Btw, i tried latejoin on this too, and succeeded.Happy about the car, unhappy that this tactic really works. Had a Tier 2 hand in a normal event.
    It's not right, frustrating and takes away the fun - but you did it anyway?!
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  • krystiankrystian Posts: 653 ✭✭✭✭
    LittleEnosBurdette said:
    Hutch haven’t done anything to stop late joins apart from the points increase which doesn’t make any difference whatsoever. 
    I agree with all your points, it seems an easy fix but as with everything thing else, it seems to take an age to get anything done unfortunately. 
    You are wrong.Nothing is easy for them.From correcting car data to stopping late joining.I'm looking forward for Crews in 2020 and game update in 2021.
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  • MalaniMalani Posts: 105 ✭✭✭
    AndreasSimmer said:
    Malani said:
    AndreasSimmer said:
    Please close the brackets some hours before the event ends. Its not right that people get the car with a handfull of wins while others spend real money and time on it (or missing it). Its frustrating to most and takes away the fun of competing.
    Btw, i tried latejoin on this too, and succeeded.Happy about the car, unhappy that this tactic really works. Had a Tier 2 hand in a normal event.
    It's not right, frustrating and takes away the fun - but you did it anyway?!
    yes, so whats your problem or question about?
    its a legit way to win, though i would favor if it wasnt.
    if you would know me a bit... you would know that im usually amongst the first wave of entries in all events.
    so please no discussion why i did it, the point is: why is it still possible!?  its a slap in the face of all early joiners (who just like to play and not sit out till lateevent)
    No problem, I just find it odd that you write like you are so steadfastly against late joining (and btw I agree with all your points on this) but still did it. That is all. 
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  • UncleGaryUncleGary Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
    I have no problem with late joining. Done it many times when my hand has been too poor to compete. Keeps the game interesting for everyone, and that's a good thing in my opinion. Never gotten a prize car from it myself, but have sometimes gotten t2 which would probably have been out of reach for me otherwise.

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  • AndreasSimmerAndreasSimmer Posts: 1,685 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am against latejoining, and would be happy to have that option removed. It would make things a lot more fair if pools are closed early, like 2 hours before end, and the ppl in it can race it out.
    i mean, somehow this is supposed to be about strategy and good cards, not just a casino gamble.
    Hutch argued that its about accessibility... but the brackets are open for  3days, so i think its just a small number who didnt had time to join in that timeframe and really need the last minutes.
    Why i did it? Couldnt motivate me to race the weekend for a Tier 2 so i went for the dirty game.
    Its my first prizecar obtained this way, the others are well earned.

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  • AnzatoroAnzatoro Posts: 308 ✭✭✭
    Guys please whether you like it or not its as legit as early joining, people are risking a lot by doing that and if you have bad hand and nothing to lose then you have to be VERY VERY lucky to get tier1.

    Also let me remind you that the new and/or weak players are MUCH more than a bunch of whales/old players bitching about late joining.

    How would you feel if after every final there would be threads and posts all around bitching of how many  big whales there are in the event and why the rich get richer and so on, bitching of all your "legit" good hands.

    We are all free to join whenever and however we please, there is nothing unethical about it and i would be happier if threads/posts like this cease to exist.
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  • AnzatoroAnzatoro Posts: 308 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2019
    Moog said:
    I'm also against late joining. It's a current legal tactic, so my animosity isn't focused on people that do it.
    Hutch said in one of the YouTube shows that if they set the cut off time to be two hours before or similar, then people would just late join then so it isn't changing anything. I disagree, you at least have to maintain your position for some period of time, the cream has time to rise to the top, tickets can be purchased etc etc. So I think if nothing else, that method should be tested.

    These prize cars are very powerful and I believe that they should be earned by more than a 5 min lottery that suits particular time zones.

    Getting those powerful cars by a 5 min lottery is less irritating to me than buying them with your fat wallet (not you, generally speaking).

    Its like the rich of the world riot against the poor winning money on the lottery.

    Anyway i dont want to say anything more cause i dont like talking with people that have such ideology (not you necessarily, everyone that is bitching about late joining)
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  • evilprofesseurevilprofesseur Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd be completely fine with late joining if it wasn't for the fact the early brackets are needlessly difficult because of it. People who'd normaly fill early brackets and reduce the overall competition level wait until the last possible moment because it clearly gives them a better chance at a really good prize.

    And I agree with @Moog , closing the brackets even 2 hours before the end would have a significant impact as the randomness would be greatly reduced and only good hands would prevail in the end. If that was the case then there wouldn't be as much of an incentive to wait until the last moment and the whole final would be easier.
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  • AnzatoroAnzatoro Posts: 308 ✭✭✭
    edited May 2019
    evilprofesseur said:
    I'd be completely fine with late joining if it wasn't for the fact the early brackets are needlessly difficult because of it. People who'd normaly fill early brackets and reduce the overall competition level wait until the last possible moment because it clearly gives them a better chance at a really good prize.

    And I agree with @Moog , closing the brackets even 2 hours before the end would have a significant impact as the randomness would be greatly reduced and only good hands would prevail in the end. If that was the case then there wouldn't be as much of an incentive to wait until the last moment and the whole final would be easier.

    I said i wont be talking anymore for this matter but i really need to address this.

    Suppose the brackets close 2 hours before the end. The last people that will join will be in an empty bracket for 2 hours and regardless of their hand they will get the trophy.
    If we take into consideration the fact that its not always the case when a bracket fills another one opens (2 or 3 brackets may open at the same time) there maybe be a random number of brackets in the end that are empty with "lucky" people in it and they will win the prize.

    Then all the salty whales/etc will come again and say "this is unethical and should be changed".

    This game is heavily P2W and this is the most unethical part of the game, not late joins, not early farming, not anything that the salty guys complain about. 
    So people that dont have deep pockets have to adapt to this environment, you know how it goes.
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  • evilprofesseurevilprofesseur Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anzatoro said:
    evilprofesseur said:
    I'd be completely fine with late joining if it wasn't for the fact the early brackets are needlessly difficult because of it. People who'd normaly fill early brackets and reduce the overall competition level wait until the last possible moment because it clearly gives them a better chance at a really good prize.

    And I agree with @Moog , closing the brackets even 2 hours before the end would have a significant impact as the randomness would be greatly reduced and only good hands would prevail in the end. If that was the case then there wouldn't be as much of an incentive to wait until the last moment and the whole final would be easier.

    I said i wont be talking anymore for this matter but i really need to address this.

    Suppose the brackets close 2 hours before the end. The last people that will join will be in an empty bracket for 2 hours and regardless of their hand they will get the trophy.
    If we take into consideration the fact that its not always the case when a bracket fills another one opens (2 or 3 brackets may open at the same time) there maybe be a random number of brackets in the end that are empty with "lucky" people in it and they will win the prize.

    Then all the salty whales/etc will come again and say "this is unethical and should be changed".

    This game is heavily P2W and this is the most unethical part of the game, not late joins, not early farming, not anything that the salty guys complain about. 
    So people that dont have deep pockets have to adapt to this environment, you know how it goes.
    that's only the case for the very last bracket that would get opened and only if it happens to have very few players. All of the earlier ones would not be nearly as volataile as they are now (I just finished 11th without a single epic upgraded past 333 because only one person had time to target me and the late bracket was full). 

    There are many things to consider, however. I'm actually thinking about setting up a simulation to determine what would be the best tactic but I'll really short on time during the upcoming weeks. This could give us some insight into the implications of different ending times for instance.
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  • MalaniMalani Posts: 105 ✭✭✭
    Anzatoro said:
    evilprofesseur said:
    I'd be completely fine with late joining if it wasn't for the fact the early brackets are needlessly difficult because of it. People who'd normaly fill early brackets and reduce the overall competition level wait until the last possible moment because it clearly gives them a better chance at a really good prize.

    And I agree with @Moog , closing the brackets even 2 hours before the end would have a significant impact as the randomness would be greatly reduced and only good hands would prevail in the end. If that was the case then there wouldn't be as much of an incentive to wait until the last moment and the whole final would be easier.

    I said i wont be talking anymore for this matter but i really need to address this.

    Suppose the brackets close 2 hours before the end. The last people that will join will be in an empty bracket for 2 hours and regardless of their hand they will get the trophy.
    If we take into consideration the fact that its not always the case when a bracket fills another one opens (2 or 3 brackets may open at the same time) there maybe be a random number of brackets in the end that are empty with "lucky" people in it and they will win the prize.

    Then all the salty whales/etc will come again and say "this is unethical and should be changed".

    This game is heavily P2W and this is the most unethical part of the game, not late joins, not early farming, not anything that the salty guys complain about. 
    So people that dont have deep pockets have to adapt to this environment, you know how it goes.
    How is it unethical that the game is heavily P2W? Hutch is a business and they exist to make money, they have to encourage people to spend money to pay their wages and they do this by giving an advantage to P2W players. Without these players the game doesn't exist. I think the fact that F2P players can still get a great deal of enjoyment from the game is a strong positive. 

    Is it unethical that a Porsche 911 costs more that a Dacia Sandero?

    Anyway, I'm sure this argument has been done to death and it's likely that which side of the argument you sit on will depend on your means / willingness to spend money on this game.
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  • LEGENDNADALEGENDNADA Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭✭
    what about extending the bracket capacity from 500 to 5000 and exdtending the prizes to 1-80 tier one and so on? A good idea for late joining issue but would be a massacre 
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  • hillclimberhillclimber Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LEGENDNADA said:
    what about extending the bracket capacity from 500 to 5000 and exdtending the prizes to 1-80 tier one and so on? A good idea for late joining issue but would be a massacre 
    that's what I suggested 5 years ago. Tim thinks this would lead to too big jumps in ranks and be for that reason confusing.
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  • LittleEnosBurdetteLittleEnosBurdette Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LEGENDNADA said:
    what about extending the bracket capacity from 500 to 5000 and exdtending the prizes to 1-80 tier one and so on? A good idea for late joining issue but would be a massacre 
    That would give out far too many prize cars though. 
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  • Blue2moroBlue2moro Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How about trialling a bracket of doooooom. Mwahahahaha

    1 bracket only in the event with rewards given to % brackets.
    Top 1% T1
    Top 10% T2
    Etc etc

    Not saying I would want all events to be this way but could be fun every now and again.
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  • LEGENDNADALEGENDNADA Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭✭
    LittleEnosBurdette said:
    LEGENDNADA said:
    what about extending the bracket capacity from 500 to 5000 and exdtending the prizes to 1-80 tier one and so on? A good idea for late joining issue but would be a massacre 
    That would give out far too many prize cars though. 

    500 = top 8 
    5000 = top 80 
    Same prize cars given 

    hillclimber said:
    LEGENDNADA said:
    what about extending the bracket capacity from 500 to 5000 and exdtending the prizes to 1-80 tier one and so on? A good idea for late joining issue but would be a massacre 
    that's what I suggested 5 years ago. Tim thinks this would lead to too big jumps in ranks and be for that reason confusing.
    It worth a shot maybe trying it in one event with low prize car to test it and increasing the tickets time and gold and the time of the event 5 days maybe?


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  • LittleEnosBurdetteLittleEnosBurdette Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2019
    LEGENDNADA said:
    LittleEnosBurdette said:
    LEGENDNADA said:
    what about extending the bracket capacity from 500 to 5000 and exdtending the prizes to 1-80 tier one and so on? A good idea for late joining issue but would be a massacre 
    That would give out far too many prize cars though. 

    500 = top 8 
    5000 = top 80 
    Same prize cars given 

    hillclimber said:
    LEGENDNADA said:
    what about extending the bracket capacity from 500 to 5000 and exdtending the prizes to 1-80 tier one and so on? A good idea for late joining issue but would be a massacre 
    that's what I suggested 5 years ago. Tim thinks this would lead to too big jumps in ranks and be for that reason confusing.
    It worth a shot maybe trying it in one event with low prize car to test it and increasing the tickets time and gold and the time of the event 5 days maybe?


    Minimum 2 brackets would give 160 prize cars, there’s never been anything like 20 brackets in the US or Asia and probably a long time since that number was hit on the EU servers.  👍🏻
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