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Rarity changes and corrections in PL9 (June 2019) - discussion thread

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  • DannyDanny ✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 601 ✭✭✭✭
    mikes said:
    Danny said:
    mikes said:
    VaRaNo said:
    Setting a Giulia to low and a Brera to medium means having absolutely no idea what they're doing and having literally zero knowledge of the cars they're dealing with....
    As someone who spent a lot of time helping Hutch correct vehicle stats, unproductive comments like this helps no one.
    The Veloce has a ride height of 100 mm (low) https://www.carsguide.com.au/alfa-romeo/giulia/price/2018/veloce
    If you have different, verified numbers, let us know.
    Go on then @mikes give us a clue what the new cars coming are 😉
    🤐 
    Spoil sport... just one. I promise not to tell anyone 🙄
  • RWareRWare ✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 646 ✭✭✭✭
    So does that imply there are cars coming? So we should defo save up some cr.....
  • evilprofesseurevilprofesseur ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RWare said:
    So does that imply there are cars coming? So we should defo save up some cr.....
    seems that's the reason why we had a 918 final just now. sure as hell made me spend all of my cash and gold.
    at least not for nothing this time
  • mikesmikes ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Danny said:
    mikes said:
    Danny said:
    mikes said:
    VaRaNo said:
    Setting a Giulia to low and a Brera to medium means having absolutely no idea what they're doing and having literally zero knowledge of the cars they're dealing with....
    As someone who spent a lot of time helping Hutch correct vehicle stats, unproductive comments like this helps no one.
    The Veloce has a ride height of 100 mm (low) https://www.carsguide.com.au/alfa-romeo/giulia/price/2018/veloce
    If you have different, verified numbers, let us know.
    Go on then @mikes give us a clue what the new cars coming are 😉
    🤐 
    Spoil sport... just one. I promise not to tell anyone 🙄
    Okay fine, it's German,
  • evilprofesseurevilprofesseur ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mikes said:
    Danny said:
    mikes said:
    Danny said:
    mikes said:
    VaRaNo said:
    Setting a Giulia to low and a Brera to medium means having absolutely no idea what they're doing and having literally zero knowledge of the cars they're dealing with....
    As someone who spent a lot of time helping Hutch correct vehicle stats, unproductive comments like this helps no one.
    The Veloce has a ride height of 100 mm (low) https://www.carsguide.com.au/alfa-romeo/giulia/price/2018/veloce
    If you have different, verified numbers, let us know.
    Go on then @mikes give us a clue what the new cars coming are 😉
    🤐 
    Spoil sport... just one. I promise not to tell anyone 🙄
    Okay fine, it's German,
    ..the legendary smart-only update...!
  • juan_cruz_96juan_cruz_96 Member Posts: 7
    Porsche 718 Boxter will be nerfed. it used to be the best B Porsche, now the crown goes to the Bosxter Spyder. I'll still keep it if I pull it out.
  • adms87adms87 ✭✭✭ Member Posts: 296 ✭✭✭
    Porsche 718 Boxter will be nerfed. it used to be the best B Porsche, now the crown goes to the Bosxter Spyder. I'll still keep it if I pull it out.
    It's weird because on the notes it is said that:
    "2017 Porsche 718 BoxsterStats improved to match 718 Cayman"

    How can you improve 718 Boxster stats to match 718 Cayman if the Boxster is already better? Shouldn't it be the other way around? 
  • NinjaDesignzNinjaDesignz ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
    adms87 said:
    Porsche 718 Boxter will be nerfed. it used to be the best B Porsche, now the crown goes to the Bosxter Spyder. I'll still keep it if I pull it out.
    It's weird because on the notes it is said that:
    "2017 Porsche 718 BoxsterStats improved to match 718 Cayman"

    How can you improve 718 Boxster stats to match 718 Cayman if the Boxster is already better? Shouldn't it be the other way around? 
    Maybe midrange was improved which would render the 718 Cayman obsolete 
  • hillclimberhillclimber ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭✭✭
    adms87 said:
    Porsche 718 Boxter will be nerfed. it used to be the best B Porsche, now the crown goes to the Bosxter Spyder. I'll still keep it if I pull it out.
    It's weird because on the notes it is said that:
    "2017 Porsche 718 BoxsterStats improved to match 718 Cayman"

    How can you improve 718 Boxster stats to match 718 Cayman if the Boxster is already better? Shouldn't it be the other way around? 
    good you brought that up. I was starting to doubt my English skills.
  • O__VERO__VER ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭✭✭
    adms87 said:
    Porsche 718 Boxter will be nerfed. it used to be the best B Porsche, now the crown goes to the Bosxter Spyder. I'll still keep it if I pull it out.
    It's weird because on the notes it is said that:
    "2017 Porsche 718 BoxsterStats improved to match 718 Cayman"

    How can you improve 718 Boxster stats to match 718 Cayman if the Boxster is already better? Shouldn't it be the other way around? 
    good you brought that up. I was starting to doubt my English skills.
    Could it mean that the stats were improved, as in "made more accurate"?
  • hillclimberhillclimber ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭✭✭
    O__VER said:
    adms87 said:
    Porsche 718 Boxter will be nerfed. it used to be the best B Porsche, now the crown goes to the Bosxter Spyder. I'll still keep it if I pull it out.
    It's weird because on the notes it is said that:
    "2017 Porsche 718 BoxsterStats improved to match 718 Cayman"

    How can you improve 718 Boxster stats to match 718 Cayman if the Boxster is already better? Shouldn't it be the other way around? 
    good you brought that up. I was starting to doubt my English skills.
    Could it mean that the stats were improved, as in "made more accurate"?
    than I think his salary should be improved too.
  • BasilBasil ✭✭✭ Member Posts: 218 ✭✭✭

    I have two issues (proposals) that I would like to share. 1st: I think Hutch should consider to gve some cars a bigger stat. Fi The Bugatti and the Pike cars are well underrated with their S30 (or a bit lower). In my opinion they should get a S35 status. They are great cars and when you use them on a competitor without it,.. you win 90%. It is too easy. By giving them a higher value , you oponent maybe can compensate this difference with a better average garage. When I now see the nex Pike cars,... *sigh*,..

    2nd: I see that Hutch is putting a lot of effort to bring in 4WD standard tires,... what is the use on keeping still of 4WD performance tires ? Or the standard tires should be valued much higher or the performance cars should be valued much lower. I would go for the first one.

    Personally, I very much like the combination events where you have to use lower cars, like the Volvo/Buick event. I don't have good Buicks but Using my Volvo's and a 'card blache' is making my experiment ,.. and that is wat the game is all about, isn't it? Not by just using all your top Bugattis or Pikes or 4WD standard tires .


  • hillclimberhillclimber ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 25
    ATSR_997 said:
    0-60 time for both the BMW i8 Coupe and Roadster is wrong. 




    Both are quoted from Evo magazine. How is it possible for Hutch to get even the most basic and easy to find information so freaking wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME???

    Don’t worry, it will (maybe) be fixed in approx 1 year... 

    take it slow before throwing stones at them... according to this source https://fastestlaps.com/models/bmw-i8 It says 0-100kph in 4.2s but 0-60 mph in 3.6s (for the none Roadster).

    I don't know if fastestlaps.com is a good source or should I say if they used a good one or not. But I think we have to be very careful with german cars and their 0-100 kph converting in 0-60 mph.

    But you're right I'd wish too this stats get confirmed by hutch before ppl put food into it just to have them nefed later.
  • DING097DING097 ✭✭ Member Posts: 45 ✭✭
    edited June 25
    SSV said:
    This just happened when I was playing Clubs...



    Funny....I tested these two gainst each other because the stock 0-60 time and the handling was the same. I hoped that the new Golf will finally defeat the DeZir with lower 0-60 and with slicks but the DeZir just destroyed it on G-Force and slalom test....that 774kg car is bullpoop in this game...it's just a concept and destroys a Mclaren F1 LM. When it will go up into B finally where it belongs I will go out and dance all day long on the streets, I would put it into RQ21....wins against a slick tyre race car
  • sinnersinner ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭✭✭
    DING097 said:
    SSV said:
    This just happened when I was playing Clubs...



    Funny....I tested these two gainst each other because the stock 0-60 time and the handling was the same. I hoped that the new Golf will finally defeat the DeZir with lower 0-60 and with slicks but the DeZir just destroyed it on G-Force and slalom test....that 774kg car is bullpoop in this game...it's just a concept and destroys a Mclaren F1 LM. When it will go up into B finally where it belongs I will go out and dance all day long on the streets, I would put it into RQ21....wins against a slick tyre race car
    What about all the other tracks though? 😂
  • DING097DING097 ✭✭ Member Posts: 45 ✭✭
    edited June 25
    sinner said:
    DING097 said:
    SSV said:
    This just happened when I was playing Clubs...



    Funny....I tested these two gainst each other because the stock 0-60 time and the handling was the same. I hoped that the new Golf will finally defeat the DeZir with lower 0-60 and with slicks but the DeZir just destroyed it on G-Force and slalom test....that 774kg car is bullpoop in this game...it's just a concept and destroys a Mclaren F1 LM. When it will go up into B finally where it belongs I will go out and dance all day long on the streets, I would put it into RQ21....wins against a slick tyre race car
    What about all the other tracks though? 😂
    The DeZir wins on car park, karting circuit, in door karting, hairpin road. The only tracks where the golf won way twisty road, twisty circuit and fast circuit
  • RobGripesRobGripes ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Drags? Test bowl?
  • DING097DING097 ✭✭ Member Posts: 45 ✭✭
    RobGripes said:
    Drags? Test bowl?
    Why would you send a freakin DeZir on drag and test bowl when it's obvious it isn't meant for it? You wouldn't send a grosser 600 on slalom would you? I tested the tracks where HANDLING is needed.
  • DING097DING097 ✭✭ Member Posts: 45 ✭✭
    sinner said:
    DING097 said:
    RobGripes said:
    Drags? Test bowl?
    Why would you send a freakin DeZir on drag and test bowl when it's obvious it isn't meant for it? You wouldn't send a grosser 600 on slalom would you? I tested the tracks where HANDLING is needed.
    So the dezir is good on half the tracks while the golf is good on all the tracks yeah? That would probably explain the RQ difference 
    You just can't accept the fact that the DeZir is more OP in C than the lotus was back in the days and it shoulb be in B aswell :D
  • sinnersinner ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭✭✭
    DING097 said:
    sinner said:
    DING097 said:
    RobGripes said:
    Drags? Test bowl?
    Why would you send a freakin DeZir on drag and test bowl when it's obvious it isn't meant for it? You wouldn't send a grosser 600 on slalom would you? I tested the tracks where HANDLING is needed.
    So the dezir is good on half the tracks while the golf is good on all the tracks yeah? That would probably explain the RQ difference 
    You just can't accept the fact that the DeZir is more OP in C than the lotus was back in the days and it shoulb be in B aswell :D
    I have 6 of them, so yeah I think it should be B but not the same RQ as the golf imo
  • HeissRodHeissRod ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 25
    DING097 said:
    RobGripes said:
    Drags? Test bowl?
    Why would you send a freakin DeZir on drag and test bowl when it's obvious it isn't meant for it? You wouldn't send a grosser 600 on slalom would you? I tested the tracks where HANDLING is needed.
    The system that Hutch uses to quantify cars to RQ values doesn’t take into account where cars would be useful.  It runs the cars on all the predefined tracks in the resolver, period.  This is how we end up with cars that punch above their RQ, like the El Camino and Subaru XT.  If cars were only run on the tracks where they are used, then we would end up with a lot of cars with arguably equal track performance all at the same RQ, which would make varying hands somewhat stale.

    With that said, I do agree that the DeZir needs to go up in RQ, but not by selectively applying the tracks that are used to determine the RQ in the resolver.
  • HeissRodHeissRod ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ATSR_997 said:
    0-60 time for both the BMW i8 Coupe and Roadster is wrong. 




    Both are quoted from Evo magazine. How is it possible for Hutch to get even the most basic and easy to find information so freaking wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME???

    Don’t worry, it will (maybe) be fixed in approx 1 year... 

    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15109073/2014-bmw-i8-test-review/
  • ManUtdTobbeManUtdTobbe ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think Hutch needs to do SOME manual changes to the RQ when it comes to the off roaders. It’s dumb that the two rare Escorts are on the same RQ. Also there needs to be some variations among the SR and UR off roaders aswell. I get why/How the RQ calculator gets them on the same RQ but this is when you have to go in manually and balance it for the sake of more interesting gameplay.
  • Hutch_TimHutch_Tim admin Administrator, Hutch Staff Posts: 614 admin
    I think Hutch needs to do SOME manual changes to the RQ when it comes to the off roaders. It’s dumb that the two rare Escorts are on the same RQ. Also there needs to be some variations among the SR and UR off roaders aswell. I get why/How the RQ calculator gets them on the same RQ but this is when you have to go in manually and balance it for the sake of more interesting gameplay.
    I'm curious about the general sentiment on this, as there seem to be two slightly different views:
    View for splitting: Off-roaders that are similar but not identical should be manually given different RQs (even if the ranking process doesn't already have them either side of an RQ boundary)
    View against splitting: The Merc SLS and the Merc SLS Roadster are similar but not identical, but should not be given different RQs (even if the ranking process had them either side of an RQ boundary)

    We do already have different rules for the A/S boundary (as moving those is disruptive, so we now only do it if the car's new rank is persistent over many rebalances), but I'm interested to know which principle people think is the most important.
  • LittleEnosBurdetteLittleEnosBurdette ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 25
    DING097 said:
    sinner said:
    DING097 said:
    RobGripes said:
    Drags? Test bowl?
    Why would you send a freakin DeZir on drag and test bowl when it's obvious it isn't meant for it? You wouldn't send a grosser 600 on slalom would you? I tested the tracks where HANDLING is needed.
    So the dezir is good on half the tracks while the golf is good on all the tracks yeah? That would probably explain the RQ difference 
    You just can't accept the fact that the DeZir is more OP in C than the lotus was back in the days and it shoulb be in B aswell :D

    Dezir will win anything off dry tarmac (maybe not test bowl) also compared to the slick shod golf so you’re completely right imho. I wonder if the Dezir was one that was manually kept to super rare as one of the border line cases, it’s not like everyone was hoarding them waiting for them to go up. 🤔
  • NinjaDesignzNinjaDesignz ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    ATSR_997 said:
    0-60 time for both the BMW i8 Coupe and Roadster is wrong. 




    Both are quoted from Evo magazine. How is it possible for Hutch to get even the most basic and easy to find information so freaking wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME???

    Don’t worry, it will (maybe) be fixed in approx 1 year... 

    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15109073/2014-bmw-i8-test-review/
    Car and driver is a more reliable source compared to evo because from what I've seen, they do way more tests that measure 0-120, 0-150, etc. 
  • ManUtdTobbeManUtdTobbe ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hutch_Tim said:
    I think Hutch needs to do SOME manual changes to the RQ when it comes to the off roaders. It’s dumb that the two rare Escorts are on the same RQ. Also there needs to be some variations among the SR and UR off roaders aswell. I get why/How the RQ calculator gets them on the same RQ but this is when you have to go in manually and balance it for the sake of more interesting gameplay.
    I'm curious about the general sentiment on this, as there seem to be two slightly different views:
    View for splitting: Off-roaders that are similar but not identical should be manually given different RQs (even if the ranking process doesn't already have them either side of an RQ boundary)
    View against splitting: The Merc SLS and the Merc SLS Roadster are similar but not identical, but should not be given different RQs (even if the ranking process had them either side of an RQ boundary)

    We do already have different rules for the A/S boundary (as moving those is disruptive, so we now only do it if the car's new rank is persistent over many rebalances), but I'm interested to know which principle people think is the most important.
    I think the off roader part of this is different because there are way less off roaders. So all of them having the same RQ means one car is likely going to be very dominant at every level, UR slightly different because Escort/Porsche splits decently even but Silvia is completely outmatched. SR, Datsun completely dominant, Rare the White Escort wins everywhere.
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