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RQ system flaw

The current RQ system incentivizes me to play less, and this frustrates me as I like to play the game but I feel penalized for doing it.

Currently, I race against players who have a similar RQ as me.  This means that in order to have an advantage, I should open as many packs as possible per RQ level gained (to have strong deck vs my competition).  Which means that I should actually play less (if you play a tournament more than necessary, you will keep getting RQ without getting more packs and decrease your packs to RQ ratio).

I have bought gold and packs, but I would need to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to counteract this effect.  I propose one of two solutions to this problem:

1) use a more traditional ranking system which is based on performance (something like an ELO system).  The trophies would be an example of something that might work for this...

2) change the way that I get RQ.  Basically, I shouldn't get RQ just for winning a race that doesn't give me packs.

The point here is that the current system penalizes me for playing the game more, which I doubt is in anyone's interest since you can charge me gold for tickets.

Anyone else feel the same way?
Has Hutch considered this conflict?
Is there a solution in the works?

Comments

  • TGPDTGPD Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You're gonna have to reach RQ150 to have any kind of progression.
  • RobGripesRobGripes Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you don't gain RQ how will you fit all those premium cars into your hand? They require RQ points.

    The matchmaking is done by trophies. Once you hit RQ140-150 you'll see. RQ won't be the concern, it's trophies
  • RobGripesRobGripes Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    O__VER said:
    RobGripes said:
    If you don't gain RQ how will you fit all those premium cars into your hand? They require RQ points.

    The matchmaking is done by trophies. Once you hit RQ140-150 you'll see. RQ won't be the concern, it's trophies
    And once you're well over 6000 trophies, trophy count won't be the concern, it's the absolute lack of any matchmaking whatsoever.

    Agreed. Just assumed that most players won't have been lumbered with 6000 trophies by RQ140 yet. 

    So the next threshold is 6000 trophies, then after that its... oh well actually that's it. no more separation after that. It's all doom and gloom. Matchmaking determined solely by when you enter an event, ie, to late-join or not late-join. I ask myself that question every two weeks at the moment.
  • MrpiratepeteMrpiratepete Posts: 968 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RobGripes said:
    O__VER said:
    RobGripes said:
    If you don't gain RQ how will you fit all those premium cars into your hand? They require RQ points.

    The matchmaking is done by trophies. Once you hit RQ140-150 you'll see. RQ won't be the concern, it's trophies
    And once you're well over 6000 trophies, trophy count won't be the concern, it's the absolute lack of any matchmaking whatsoever.

    Agreed. Just assumed that most players won't have been lumbered with 6000 trophies by RQ140 yet. 

    So the next threshold is 6000 trophies, then after that its... oh well actually that's it. no more separation after that. It's all doom and gloom. Matchmaking determined solely by when you enter an event, ie, to late-join or not late-join. I ask myself that question every two weeks at the moment.

    How bad is it above 6000 trophys for real? Because I do have approximately 5600 trophys and I still get into brackets with people way over 10.000 trophys and always 1-3 (upgraded) Legendarys per hand. And of course there are the new whales as well, that do have under 5000 trophys but have insane hands that shred (not only) me everytime. I can’t imagine how bad it must be to be over the 6000 trophys…  

  • BasilBasil Posts: 366 ✭✭✭
    RobGripes said:
    O__VER said:
    RobGripes said:
    If you don't gain RQ how will you fit all those premium cars into your hand? They require RQ points.

    The matchmaking is done by trophies. Once you hit RQ140-150 you'll see. RQ won't be the concern, it's trophies
    And once you're well over 6000 trophies, trophy count won't be the concern, it's the absolute lack of any matchmaking whatsoever.

    Agreed. Just assumed that most players won't have been lumbered with 6000 trophies by RQ140 yet. 

    So the next threshold is 6000 trophies, then after that its... oh well actually that's it. no more separation after that. It's all doom and gloom. Matchmaking determined solely by when you enter an event, ie, to late-join or not late-join. I ask myself that question every two weeks at the moment.

    How bad is it above 6000 trophys for real? Because I do have approximately 5600 trophys and I still get into brackets with people way over 10.000 trophys and always 1-3 (upgraded) Legendarys per hand. And of course there are the new whales as well, that do have under 5000 trophys but have insane hands that shred (not only) me everytime. I can’t imagine how bad it must be to be over the 6000 trophys…  

    For me there is no difference above or below 6000. You just need some luck in the bracket you get into (and the cars you have) . Sometimes I'm smashed and don't even get in T3, sometimes I'm able to pull off T1. When you are a F2p player (or a minor p2p player), you'd better focus on 1 type of car and invest in those cars. Otherwise it is difficult. With focus I mean , you choose between offorad races/wet races or dry races. The races you don't focus on , use them to upgrade your cars and save a bit of money.

    I'm not in that stage yet,... still thinking I can compete on every track (but I do spend a lot of money). One day soon I will have to focus as well :-(


    That's just my opinion.


  • SimplesHoTSimplesHoT Posts: 38 ✭✭
    yeah i hate this system as well and made a stupid mistake. i was fighting for T1 in one of the last events which i was able to maintain with the last tickets but that caused my rq level to go to 140 and now im not in the rq120 events anymore its the 140rq with way better people i dont stand a chance so far. this really pissed me off especially with the qualifier events which are way more worth than the t1 i was fighting for
  • hillclimberhillclimber Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2019
    Ultimate said:
    RobGripes said:
    O__VER said:
    RobGripes said:
    If you don't gain RQ how will you fit all those premium cars into your hand? They require RQ points.

    The matchmaking is done by trophies. Once you hit RQ140-150 you'll see. RQ won't be the concern, it's trophies
    And once you're well over 6000 trophies, trophy count won't be the concern, it's the absolute lack of any matchmaking whatsoever.

    Agreed. Just assumed that most players won't have been lumbered with 6000 trophies by RQ140 yet. 

    So the next threshold is 6000 trophies, then after that its... oh well actually that's it. no more separation after that. It's all doom and gloom. Matchmaking determined solely by when you enter an event, ie, to late-join or not late-join. I ask myself that question every two weeks at the moment.

    How bad is it above 6000 trophys for real? Because I do have approximately 5600 trophys and I still get into brackets with people way over 10.000 trophys and always 1-3 (upgraded) Legendarys per hand. And of course there are the new whales as well, that do have under 5000 trophys but have insane hands that shred (not only) me everytime. I can’t imagine how bad it must be to be over the 6000 trophys…  

    Maybe they’ve lowered the trophy threshold to 5k. In AS it means you play against the same big players event after event. It also means the whales remember you take every opportunity to cut you down just because you challenge them that 1 time with a decent hand. Whales have better memories than elephants.
    on the EU server I noticed in the last weeks the threshold to be set at 3k.
  • RobGripesRobGripes Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have noticed different events to have different thresholds.

    What I saw was for regular ceramic for top 10 events the threshold could be 6k, or it could be 3k. 
    For the old formula fun events it was like no threshold at all.
    for qualifiers and prelims it is RQ bracketed only

    Hutch change them from event to event, I am guessing at how difficult it would be to fulfil the car requirements. However, I would say that overall, once you pass the highest threshold (previously known to be 6k) you are going to be pitted against best garages far more often.

    In the daily, I went from a top 10 player to a top 60, after 14 months in the game I became a top 10 player again but in that time discovered smurfing which helped open more ceramics
  • MoogMoog Posts: 483 ✭✭✭✭
    You'll need to accept that once you're RQ150 with 6k+ trophies, you'll be able to compete for very little unless you have a big wallet.
  • EndlessWavesEndlessWaves Posts: 824 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2019
    The player RQ system seems to be an introductory system for new players to the game so I wouldn't worry if you want to game it a little by avoiding XP. You'll hit RQ150 soon enough. 

    bit Mrpiratepete said:

    How bad is it above 6000 trophys for real? Because I do have approximately 5600 trophys and I still get into brackets with people way over 10.000 trophys and always 1-3 (upgraded) Legendarys per hand. And of course there are the new whales as well, that do have under 5000 trophys but have insane hands that shred (not only) me everytime. I can’t imagine how bad it must be to be over the 6000 trophys…  

    It depends on the event. 6000 trophies is just the point at which you're always in the top bracket. Some events expand it a bit. If you saw a 10k player you'd have been in the top bracket for that event.  Some events like finals have no RQ or trophy seperation at all. 

    So expect the dailies and minor RQ120+ events to become more challenging, but bigger events and lower RQ events will likely stay the same. 
  • grandvachegrandvache Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Moog said:
    You'll need to accept that once you're RQ150 with 6k+ trophies, you'll be able to compete for very little unless you have a big wallet.
    Alternatively have a lot of patience, some luck and some forumers to help you. 
  • Hutch_TimHutch_Tim Posts: 671 admin
    mojojomo said:

    The point here is that the current system penalizes me for playing the game more, which I doubt is in anyone's interest since you can charge me gold for tickets.
    Quite an astute observation - I think very few players figure this out. However, it's not entirely correct. It all depends on what you want to achieve.

    Technically the "most optimal for RQ" technique is to not play at all - just collect your daily reward. Do that for a few months or even a year and you'll still be under 40RQ but have opened a bunch of Ceramics/Premiums and even a few CFs. You will be pretty competitive in the early RQs events, (although you will struggle for slots I think). However, even with that, I don't think there's any chance you will catch up with players who were active for those months instead.

    Aside from the economy perspective, there's also a pure getting-to-know-the-game aspect. You really need to play the game a lot to get a good idea of which cars are worth keeping and investing in. Long-term, garage management (and later on smart specialisation) is crucial.

    One possible gap here is Club Events. Once you unlock these they become the best way to earn currency without gaining XP, which might get you an advantage before you reach around RQ140. Hardly anyone seems to figure that out and exploit it, but perhaps we should add some regular XP to Club Event rewards to make that a bit less of an 'exploit'?

    Once you reach the top RQ bracket it then becomes about trophies. As players here have correctly noted, the trophy bracket varies from event to event (and Finals are totally open, so there's no disadvantage to having more trophies there), but at a certain point (I think it's currently 8k) you will always find yourself in the top trophy bracket. The challenge for matchmaking here is that relatively few players make it that far, so if we applied further matchmaking bands (e.g. 8k-16k and 16k+), that new top pool would have too few people in it, and the players who just scraped into that bracket would probably have an even harder time. 

    In some games (which aren't quite the same) they periodically do a partial trophy reset, where (for example) everyone with over 5,000 trophies has their score replaced with a flat 5,000, and similarly for lower brackets (e.g. 4k-5k goes to 4k). This mixes people up again for a bit, and then over time people start to spread out again. People who were having a hard time at the bottom of the top bracket have an easier time for a bit; people who were having a good time at the top of the middle bracket have a harder time for a bit, and it maybe works out better on average. Of course we'd be adjusting the matchmaking brackets over time as we did that... I'm not certain if that would work out best for Top Drives or not.
  • Blue2moroBlue2moro Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EAmaral said:
    Shouldn't there be a more straight forward rule other than "think it is 8000" so we know the rules applied to the game?
    something something internal policies etc etc
  • hunghung Posts: 9
    For RQ <140, the worst thing you get would be XP, that make you one step near to end game. So the strategy is get as little XP as possible. The things you should do under this criteria is

    1. Reach RQ45 and open club event
    2. Play as many club event as possible
    3. Pick you best hand, join daily/normal events, quit match to force a lose
    4. Try to lose toT5 if you already on T4 after one lose to reduce trophy
    5. Do not join the challenge
    6. Some of the events may have very good reward so you will still get some XP to win the rewards, so keep 0% on campaigns and go through it after you reach RQ150

    Do all and you should be good when you reach RQ150 
  • bluedogsnoopbluedogsnoop Posts: 854 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hung said:
    For RQ <140, the worst thing you get would be XP, that make you one step near to end game. So the strategy is get as little XP as possible. The things you should do under this criteria is

    1. Reach RQ45 and open club event
    2. Play as many club event as possible
    3. Pick you best hand, join daily/normal events, quit match to force a lose
    4. Try to lose toT5 if you already on T4 after one lose to reduce trophy
    5. Do not join the challenge
    6. Some of the events may have very good reward so you will still get some XP to win the rewards, so keep 0% on campaigns and go through it after you reach RQ150

    Do all and you should be good when you reach RQ150 
    Except Daily is only available for RQ149+ now....which makes earning $ and Gold even harder. 


  • mauro07mauro07 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Daily is one monthalmost that is only for rq149
  • RobGripesRobGripes Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Clubs is for rq75
  • mojojomomojojomo Posts: 2
    Thanks everyone for the input! it is really appreciated.  I was especially impressed that an admin put together such a detailed response, well done!

    But i figured that I would return the decency and share that through this thread I discovered that there really isn't any light at the end of the tunnel and that I have moved on to other games.  

    I wish that I could get mad at Hutch for this, but I must admit that this sort of issue seems to be more the norm everyday as in game purchases creates a revenue stream that forces pay 2 win.  I miss the old days when I paid money up front to play my game as long as I wanted. seems like most games today that don't have in game purchasing are second rate...

    Have fun with the game everyone! and thanks again for the support.


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