No, my point is that how can a RWD car with performance tyres still achieve such a high speed? If it was 140/150 it may have been more realistic
yeah, it doesn't seem to take into account enough that there is a constant bend. If it were a dry lake-bed, going flat out in a straight line, like the Bonneville Salt Flats, it would make more sense.
No, my point is that how can a RWD car with performance tyres still achieve such a high speed? If it was 140/150 it may have been more realistic
yeah, it doesn't seem to take into account enough that there is a constant bend. If it were a dry lake-bed, going flat out in a straight line, like the Bonneville Salt Flats, it would make more sense.
I think in TD world if they modelled a slight bend then handling would make a difference. Didn’t they mistakenly model a slight, almost invisible bend in one of the new environment drags iirc? Back OT I’d love to see the size of the **** on the pilot pushing 200 mph on slicks in the rain
Yeah, I tested slicks on snow, Finland 8, and it was a disaster. Weird, rain & dry dirt seems to be fine. Been useful in the Fiat event though, abarth 030 does well on dirt test bowl 👍
There seems to be a bug on 0-150 dirt and with the CTS Coupé. I have done a few recordings and have uploaded them to drive. Videos are processing. I'll add the links later.
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
Yes, but that shouldnt hold me back from making fun about the results above, right?
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
It seems that without test it before.
Hutch has a preset grouping of tracks that they run every vehicle on. They have never shared the list of tracks. We only know that it is a sample of all different types of tracks. How a single car performs on those tracks versus all other cars determines it's RQ. A car is NOT tested only on the tracks where it would typically be used or excel on. This means that cars like this will receive an 'artificial' increase in RQ compared to other offroad-equipped cars because it will perform better on dry asphalt than it's 4WD counterparts. This is not dishonest.
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
I do know it and it's error-prone. Best example would be the dezir which was only ranked as a RQ18 by the system and had to be moved manualy. So ranking the DKR as a RQ25 because its better on on-road tracks than other offroaders is very daring.
Two prize cars have now been swapped in the last minutes because their stats are possibly wrong (which was the correct move to do). But what car do we get instead? An offroader that is clearly ranked to high for its worth. The only "advantage" it has is it's TCS&ABS and even those act as they contribute nothing. If something like this happens with a "normal" car it wouldn't be that dramatic but this happening with a prize car is a totally different situation.
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
I do know it and it's error-prone. Best example would be the dezir which was only ranked as a RQ18 by the system and had to be moved manualy. So ranking the DKR as a RQ25 because its better on on-road tracks than other offroaders is very daring.
Two prize cars have now been swapped in the last minutes because their stats are possibly wrong (which was the correct move to do). But what car do we get instead? An offroader that is clearly ranked to high for its worth. The only "advantage" it has is it's TCS&ABS and even those act as they contribute nothing. If something like this happens with a "normal" car it wouldn't be that dramatic but this happening with a prize car is a totally different situation.
This doesn't mean that something is broken with the car, which is what everyone is claiming.
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
It seems that without test it before.
Hutch has a preset grouping of tracks that they run every vehicle on. They have never shared the list of tracks. We only know that it is a sample of all different types of tracks. How a single car performs on those tracks versus all other cars determines it's RQ. A car is NOT tested only on the tracks where it would typically be used or excel on. This means that cars like this will receive an 'artificial' increase in RQ compared to other offroad-equipped cars because it will perform better on dry asphalt than it's 4WD counterparts. This is not dishonest.
I thought the results were weighted though? So an offroad car would have its RQ result weighted based on the type of tracks you'd expect to run it on. It loses to D RWD offroad cars then I really don't see how it got its RQ, regardless of it winning against other offroaders on dry asphalt.
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
I do know it and it's error-prone. Best example would be the dezir which was only ranked as a RQ18 by the system and had to be moved manualy. So ranking the DKR as a RQ25 because its better on on-road tracks than other offroaders is very daring.
Two prize cars have now been swapped in the last minutes because their stats are possibly wrong (which was the correct move to do). But what car do we get instead? An offroader that is clearly ranked to high for its worth. The only "advantage" it has is it's TCS&ABS and even those act as they contribute nothing. If something like this happens with a "normal" car it wouldn't be that dramatic but this happening with a prize car is a totally different situation.
This doesn't mean that something is broken with the car, which is what everyone is claiming.
If I may quote myself from another thread: "It seems like the DKR does either have a too high RQ or is just not good (which would be a shame)."
So no, I'm not claiming it is broken. Maybe it is, but maybe it's just ranked to high.
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
It seems that without test it before.
Hutch has a preset grouping of tracks that they run every vehicle on. They have never shared the list of tracks. We only know that it is a sample of all different types of tracks. How a single car performs on those tracks versus all other cars determines it's RQ. A car is NOT tested only on the tracks where it would typically be used or excel on. This means that cars like this will receive an 'artificial' increase in RQ compared to other offroad-equipped cars because it will perform better on dry asphalt than it's 4WD counterparts. This is not dishonest.
I thought the results were weighted though? So an offroad car would have its RQ result weighted based on the type of tracks you'd expect to run it on. It loses to D RWD offroad cars then I really don't see how it got its RQ, regardless of it winning against other offroaders on dry asphalt.
I don't recall anything about weighting (although I may just not remember that piece). One thing to think about with those D-cars is.... - Better handling, which matters way more than 0-60 in twisty snow - Less weight - engine-upgrade-increases-traction-bonus (twice, compared to a 333 DKR)
The DKR does have ABS & TCS, as well as high clearance vs the D-cars medium.
Who has a 969 Alfetta Rally and can post results from Monaco 7.1? (or a 333 build of an Escort Rally, 928 Rally, or Silvia Rally)
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
It seems that without test it before.
Hutch has a preset grouping of tracks that they run every vehicle on. They have never shared the list of tracks. We only know that it is a sample of all different types of tracks. How a single car performs on those tracks versus all other cars determines it's RQ. A car is NOT tested only on the tracks where it would typically be used or excel on. This means that cars like this will receive an 'artificial' increase in RQ compared to other offroad-equipped cars because it will perform better on dry asphalt than it's 4WD counterparts. This is not dishonest.
I thought the results were weighted though? So an offroad car would have its RQ result weighted based on the type of tracks you'd expect to run it on. It loses to D RWD offroad cars then I really don't see how it got its RQ, regardless of it winning against other offroaders on dry asphalt.
I don't recall anything about weighting (although I may just not remember that piece). One thing to think about with those D-cars is.... - Better handling, which matters way more than 0-60 in twisty snow - Less weight - engine-upgrade-increases-traction-bonus (twice, compared to a 333 DKR)
The DKR does have ABS & TCS, as well as high clearance vs the D-cars medium.
Who has a 969 Alfetta Rally and can post results from Monaco 7.1? (or a 333 build of an Escort Rally, 928 Rally, or Silvia Rally)
But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
It seems that without test it before.
Hutch has a preset grouping of tracks that they run every vehicle on. They have never shared the list of tracks. We only know that it is a sample of all different types of tracks. How a single car performs on those tracks versus all other cars determines it's RQ. A car is NOT tested only on the tracks where it would typically be used or excel on. This means that cars like this will receive an 'artificial' increase in RQ compared to other offroad-equipped cars because it will perform better on dry asphalt than it's 4WD counterparts. This is not dishonest.
I thought the results were weighted though? So an offroad car would have its RQ result weighted based on the type of tracks you'd expect to run it on. It loses to D RWD offroad cars then I really don't see how it got its RQ, regardless of it winning against other offroaders on dry asphalt.
I don't recall anything about weighting (although I may just not remember that piece). One thing to think about with those D-cars is.... - Better handling, which matters way more than 0-60 in twisty snow - Less weight - engine-upgrade-increases-traction-bonus (twice, compared to a 333 DKR)
The DKR does have ABS & TCS, as well as high clearance vs the D-cars medium.
Who has a 969 Alfetta Rally and can post results from Monaco 7.1? (or a 333 build of an Escort Rally, 928 Rally, or Silvia Rally)
So DKR wins comfortably, and is no more "broken" than any of the other RWD off road cars. If there's any surprises here it's the relatively poor performance of the Stratos and the Alfetta relative to the Datsun.
The engine traction bonus is the thing that makes the least sense in all of this, and is the reason those D escorts are faster.
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Note: Campaign doesn’t have a rolling dry dirt test bowl. Expect that speed to be about .5-1mph higher in a rolling track.
Videos are processing. I'll add the links later.
Reaches 0-150mph with a top speed of 147mph.
Si hubieras demostrado esto antes de la prueba, habría intentado obtener el TVR, y no este auto inútil.
Just for your Information, the other Ford is of course also able to beat it.
Hutch, fix it, like a joke was funny, now time to work
One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"
You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
Best example would be the dezir which was only ranked as a RQ18 by the system and had to be moved manualy.
So ranking the DKR as a RQ25 because its better on on-road tracks than other offroaders is very daring.
Two prize cars have now been swapped in the last minutes because their stats are possibly wrong (which was the correct move to do). But what car do we get instead? An offroader that is clearly ranked to high for its worth. The only "advantage" it has is it's TCS&ABS and even those act as they contribute nothing.
If something like this happens with a "normal" car it wouldn't be that dramatic but this happening with a prize car is a totally different situation.
"It seems like the DKR does either have a too high RQ or is just not good (which would be a shame)."
So no, I'm not claiming it is broken. Maybe it is, but maybe it's just ranked to high.
- Better handling, which matters way more than 0-60 in twisty snow
- Less weight
- engine-upgrade-increases-traction-bonus (twice, compared to a 333 DKR)
The DKR does have ABS & TCS, as well as high clearance vs the D-cars medium.
Who has a 969 Alfetta Rally and can post results from Monaco 7.1? (or a 333 build of an Escort Rally, 928 Rally, or Silvia Rally)
In particular check the paragraph that starts referencing my post.
3008 DKR: 2:23.96
924 Rally: 2:32.77
Lancia Stratos: 2:34.73
Datsun 240z: 2:37.37
Alfetta: 2:39.37
So DKR wins comfortably, and is no more "broken" than any of the other RWD off road cars. If there's any surprises here it's the relatively poor performance of the Stratos and the Alfetta relative to the Datsun.
The engine traction bonus is the thing that makes the least sense in all of this, and is the reason those D escorts are faster.