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  • BoxtaSBoxtaS Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tyre type makes no difference on test bowl:


  • viddy1viddy1 Posts: 144 ✭✭
    mikes said:
    viddy1 said:
    RWD on dirt????? 192??? Yeah right
    Are you insinuating RWD would be useless on dirt?
    No, my point is that how can a RWD car with performance tyres still achieve such a high speed? If it was 140/150 it may have been more realistic 
  • mikesmikes Posts: 4,018 ✭✭✭✭✭
    viddy1 said:
    mikes said:
    viddy1 said:
    RWD on dirt????? 192??? Yeah right
    Are you insinuating RWD would be useless on dirt?
    No, my point is that how can a RWD car with performance tyres still achieve such a high speed? If it was 140/150 it may have been more realistic 
    yeah, it doesn't seem to take into account enough that there is a constant bend. If it were a dry lake-bed, going flat out in a straight line, like the Bonneville Salt Flats, it would make more sense.
  • mauro07mauro07 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 18
    i think low ride is a big issue in dirty dry, how can reach some speeds with an inappropriate arrengement!! :open_mouth:
  • David_FookDavid_Fook Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mikes said:
    viddy1 said:
    mikes said:
    viddy1 said:
    RWD on dirt????? 192??? Yeah right
    Are you insinuating RWD would be useless on dirt?
    No, my point is that how can a RWD car with performance tyres still achieve such a high speed? If it was 140/150 it may have been more realistic 
    yeah, it doesn't seem to take into account enough that there is a constant bend. If it were a dry lake-bed, going flat out in a straight line, like the Bonneville Salt Flats, it would make more sense.
    I think in TD world if they modelled a slight bend then handling would make a difference. Didn’t they mistakenly model a slight, almost invisible bend in one of the new environment drags iirc? Back OT I’d love to see the size of the **** on the pilot pushing 200 mph on slicks in the rain
  • evilprofesseurevilprofesseur Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BoxtaS said:
    Tyre type makes no difference on test bowl:


    It does on snow, and how! 
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 5,216 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 18
    Surfaces do affect tires on test bowl.  Some of those affects may not be as much as expected, but it’s not just blanket ignoring it.






    Note: Campaign doesn’t have a rolling dry dirt test bowl.  Expect that speed to be about .5-1mph higher in a rolling track.
  • BoxtaSBoxtaS Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, I tested slicks on snow, Finland 8, and it was a disaster. Weird, rain & dry dirt seems to be fine. Been useful in the Fiat event though, abarth 030 does well on dirt test bowl 👍
  • JackyQuJackyQu Posts: 372 ✭✭✭
    edited November 19
    How....
  • TGPDTGPD Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There seems to be a bug on 0-150 dirt and with the CTS Coupé. I have done a few recordings and have uploaded them to drive.
    Videos are processing. I'll add the links later.
  • RWareRWare Posts: 898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LOL

    Reaches 0-150mph with a top speed of 147mph.
  • malsmals Posts: 151 ✭✭✭
    edited November 19
    Tal vez este auto no debería ser una epopeya ...

    Si hubieras demostrado esto antes de la prueba, habría intentado obtener el TVR, y no este auto inútil.



  • MrpiratepeteMrpiratepete Posts: 620 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mals said:
    Tal vez este auto no debería ser una epopeya ...

    Si hubieras demostrado esto antes de la prueba, habría intentado obtener el TVR, y no este auto inútil.



    TCS and ABS -> Saving the Day by 0,14 seconds lol
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 5,216 ✭✭✭✭✭
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
  • malsmals Posts: 151 ✭✭✭
    And not only loses in hairpin, in twisty road too



    Hutch, fix it, like a joke was funny, now time to work
  • malsmals Posts: 151 ✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?

    One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"

    You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 5,216 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 19
    Here is a 633 RWD car with off-road on snow.  RWD sucks on snow, especially stock.  See how much it gets beat by a 4WD with 17 less handling?

  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 5,216 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?

    One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"

    You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
    Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
  • AndreasSimmerAndreasSimmer Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?
    Yes, but that shouldnt hold me back from making fun about the results above, right?
  • malsmals Posts: 151 ✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?

    One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"

    You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
    Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
    It seems that without test it before.
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 5,216 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 19
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?

    One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"

    You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
    Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
    It seems that without test it before.
    Hutch has a preset grouping of tracks that they run every vehicle on.  They have never shared the list of tracks.  We only know that it is a sample of all different types of tracks.  How a single car performs on those tracks versus all other cars determines it's RQ.  A car is NOT tested only on the tracks where it would typically be used or excel on.  This means that cars like this will receive an 'artificial' increase in RQ compared to other offroad-equipped cars because it will perform better on dry asphalt than it's 4WD counterparts.  This is not dishonest.
  • MrpiratepeteMrpiratepete Posts: 620 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?

    One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"

    You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
    Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
    I do know it and it's error-prone.
    Best example would be the dezir which was only ranked as a RQ18 by the system and had to be moved manualy. 
    So ranking the DKR as a RQ25 because its better on on-road tracks than other offroaders is very daring.

    Two prize cars have now been swapped in the last minutes because their stats are possibly wrong (which was the correct move to do). But what car do we get instead? An offroader that is clearly ranked to high for its worth. The only "advantage" it has is it's TCS&ABS and even those act as they contribute nothing.
    If something like this happens with a "normal" car it wouldn't be that dramatic but this happening with a prize car is a totally different situation.
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 5,216 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?

    One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"

    You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
    Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
    I do know it and it's error-prone.
    Best example would be the dezir which was only ranked as a RQ18 by the system and had to be moved manualy. 
    So ranking the DKR as a RQ25 because its better on on-road tracks than other offroaders is very daring.

    Two prize cars have now been swapped in the last minutes because their stats are possibly wrong (which was the correct move to do). But what car do we get instead? An offroader that is clearly ranked to high for its worth. The only "advantage" it has is it's TCS&ABS and even those act as they contribute nothing.
    If something like this happens with a "normal" car it wouldn't be that dramatic but this happening with a prize car is a totally different situation.
    This doesn't mean that something is broken with the car, which is what everyone is claiming.
  • Blue2moroBlue2moro Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?

    One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"

    You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
    Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
    It seems that without test it before.
    Hutch has a preset grouping of tracks that they run every vehicle on.  They have never shared the list of tracks.  We only know that it is a sample of all different types of tracks.  How a single car performs on those tracks versus all other cars determines it's RQ.  A car is NOT tested only on the tracks where it would typically be used or excel on.  This means that cars like this will receive an 'artificial' increase in RQ compared to other offroad-equipped cars because it will perform better on dry asphalt than it's 4WD counterparts.  This is not dishonest.
    I thought the results were weighted though? So an offroad car would have its RQ result weighted based on the type of tracks you'd expect to run it on. It loses to D RWD offroad cars then I really don't see how it got its RQ, regardless of it winning against other offroaders on dry asphalt. 
  • MrpiratepeteMrpiratepete Posts: 620 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?

    One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"

    You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
    Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
    I do know it and it's error-prone.
    Best example would be the dezir which was only ranked as a RQ18 by the system and had to be moved manualy. 
    So ranking the DKR as a RQ25 because its better on on-road tracks than other offroaders is very daring.

    Two prize cars have now been swapped in the last minutes because their stats are possibly wrong (which was the correct move to do). But what car do we get instead? An offroader that is clearly ranked to high for its worth. The only "advantage" it has is it's TCS&ABS and even those act as they contribute nothing.
    If something like this happens with a "normal" car it wouldn't be that dramatic but this happening with a prize car is a totally different situation.
    This doesn't mean that something is broken with the car, which is what everyone is claiming.
    If I may quote myself from another thread:
    "It seems like the DKR does either have a too high RQ or is just not good (which would be a shame)."

    So no, I'm not claiming it is broken. Maybe it is, but maybe it's just ranked to high.
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 5,216 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 19
    Blue2moro said:
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?

    One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"

    You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
    Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
    It seems that without test it before.
    Hutch has a preset grouping of tracks that they run every vehicle on.  They have never shared the list of tracks.  We only know that it is a sample of all different types of tracks.  How a single car performs on those tracks versus all other cars determines it's RQ.  A car is NOT tested only on the tracks where it would typically be used or excel on.  This means that cars like this will receive an 'artificial' increase in RQ compared to other offroad-equipped cars because it will perform better on dry asphalt than it's 4WD counterparts.  This is not dishonest.
    I thought the results were weighted though? So an offroad car would have its RQ result weighted based on the type of tracks you'd expect to run it on. It loses to D RWD offroad cars then I really don't see how it got its RQ, regardless of it winning against other offroaders on dry asphalt. 
    I don't recall anything about weighting (although I may just not remember that piece).  One thing to think about with those D-cars is....
    - Better handling, which matters way more than 0-60 in twisty snow
    - Less weight
    - engine-upgrade-increases-traction-bonus (twice, compared to a 333 DKR)

    The DKR does have ABS & TCS, as well as high clearance vs the D-cars medium.

    Who has a 969 Alfetta Rally and can post results from Monaco 7.1? (or a 333 build of an Escort Rally, 928 Rally, or Silvia Rally)
  • Blue2moroBlue2moro Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    Blue2moro said:
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?

    One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"

    You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
    Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
    It seems that without test it before.
    Hutch has a preset grouping of tracks that they run every vehicle on.  They have never shared the list of tracks.  We only know that it is a sample of all different types of tracks.  How a single car performs on those tracks versus all other cars determines it's RQ.  A car is NOT tested only on the tracks where it would typically be used or excel on.  This means that cars like this will receive an 'artificial' increase in RQ compared to other offroad-equipped cars because it will perform better on dry asphalt than it's 4WD counterparts.  This is not dishonest.
    I thought the results were weighted though? So an offroad car would have its RQ result weighted based on the type of tracks you'd expect to run it on. It loses to D RWD offroad cars then I really don't see how it got its RQ, regardless of it winning against other offroaders on dry asphalt. 
    I don't recall anything about weighting (although I may just not remember that piece).  One thing to think about with those D-cars is....
    - Better handling, which matters way more than 0-60 in twisty snow
    - Less weight
    - engine-upgrade-increases-traction-bonus (twice, compared to a 333 DKR)

    The DKR does have ABS & TCS, as well as high clearance vs the D-cars medium.

    Who has a 969 Alfetta Rally and can post results from Monaco 7.1? (or a 333 build of an Escort Rally, 928 Rally, or Silvia Rally)
    https://forums.hutchgames.com/discussion/comment/146805#Comment_146805

    In particular check the paragraph that starts referencing my post.
  • MalaniMalani Posts: 68 ✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    Blue2moro said:
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    mals said:
    HeissRod said:
    But hey, the Peugeout Dakar is a great off-road car to win on-road races against the other off-road cars. You have to stay creative and look out for the fitting niche.
    Didn't they provide testing for the DKR ahead of the event and we knew it wasn't that great?

    One thing is "it wasn't that great" and other is "in fact, its a really ****"

    You cant offer this car like an epic rq25, because maybe his real rq is 18-20. Many people spent money to get this car (for luck, me not) and its deshonest imho.
    Do you have any clue how Hutch determines the RQ of a car?
    It seems that without test it before.
    Hutch has a preset grouping of tracks that they run every vehicle on.  They have never shared the list of tracks.  We only know that it is a sample of all different types of tracks.  How a single car performs on those tracks versus all other cars determines it's RQ.  A car is NOT tested only on the tracks where it would typically be used or excel on.  This means that cars like this will receive an 'artificial' increase in RQ compared to other offroad-equipped cars because it will perform better on dry asphalt than it's 4WD counterparts.  This is not dishonest.
    I thought the results were weighted though? So an offroad car would have its RQ result weighted based on the type of tracks you'd expect to run it on. It loses to D RWD offroad cars then I really don't see how it got its RQ, regardless of it winning against other offroaders on dry asphalt. 
    I don't recall anything about weighting (although I may just not remember that piece).  One thing to think about with those D-cars is....
    - Better handling, which matters way more than 0-60 in twisty snow
    - Less weight
    - engine-upgrade-increases-traction-bonus (twice, compared to a 333 DKR)

    The DKR does have ABS & TCS, as well as high clearance vs the D-cars medium.

    Who has a 969 Alfetta Rally and can post results from Monaco 7.1? (or a 333 build of an Escort Rally, 928 Rally, or Silvia Rally)
    All at 333:

    3008 DKR: 2:23.96
    924 Rally: 2:32.77
    Lancia Stratos: 2:34.73
    Datsun 240z: 2:37.37
    Alfetta: 2:39.37

    So DKR wins comfortably, and is no more "broken" than any of the other RWD off road cars. If there's any surprises here it's the relatively poor performance of the Stratos and the Alfetta relative to the Datsun.

    The engine traction bonus is the thing that makes the least sense in all of this, and is the reason those D escorts are faster.
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