Ariel Atom 500 V8 Prelims - Porsche (Event)

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  • lemmings99olemmings99o Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you're going to do any sort of seperation of players based on trophies on big events then trophies would also need to be reset 1st,
    There are plenty of players with reletively weak garages with trouphy counts close to 50k because they've been playing nearly 3 years and picking up tropies for every event even when finishing in t2/t3 quickly mounts up even tho their garage wouldn't compete with some sub 10k trophy players
  • David_FookDavid_Fook Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28
    I think Dmitri has been misunderstood a bit, I’m sure there won’t be finals brackets split by trophy, just the prelims and qualifiers as they currently are, but with unique prize tiers... at least that’s what I read. 
  • lemmings99olemmings99o Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think Dimitri has been misunderstood a bit, I’m sure there won’t be finals brackets split by trophy, just the prelims and qualifiers as they currently are, but with unique prize tiers... at least that’s what I read. 

    While that's what i would hope based on previous comments from Robin and Tim on the forum and the youtube show, the ambiguity of Dimitri's statements leaves all possibilities open.
  • Hutch_DmitriHutch_Dmitri Posts: 101 admin
    I think Dimitri has been misunderstood a bit, I’m sure there won’t be finals brackets split by trophy, just the prelims and qualifiers as they currently are, but with unique prize tiers... at least that’s what I read. 

    While that's what i would hope based on previous comments from Robin and Tim on the forum and the youtube show, the ambiguity of Dimitri's statements leaves all possibilities open.
    Yes, sorry my fault, the info I was given was somewhat lacking so I went with what I've had. 

    Basically, we can have different prize tiers by trophy amount now that we have introduced them in Call of the Wild. Can we do it specifically for Tri-Series? At some point, yes, but not immediately as it does require extra work.

    I'm really sorry I can't give more info as I don't want to make false statements, but I'm sure you will hear more about this in the future.
  • mauro07mauro07 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i have over 70k trophy.. i will play against all whales.. in t5 i must see a B+ 1 CF not a C+ceramic.... because this thing can kill the game and a lot of old players
  • lemmings99olemmings99o Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A trophy reset is due tho if players are going to be ranked by them as they don't equate to garage strength, rather just length of time playing.
  • David_FookDavid_Fook Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mauro07 said:
    i have over 70k trophy.. i will play against all whales.. in t5 i must see a B+ 1 CF not a C+ceramic.... because this thing can kill the game and a lot of old players
    Why are you assuming the trophy brackets will be any worse than they are? They have already said they wouldn’t have tiny, high trophy brackets. 
  • AndreasSimmerAndreasSimmer Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28
    If this means extended preizetiers in high trophy brackets that is great news.
    If it would mean high trophy get some more prizes to make up for the competition, while low trophys have their own brackets and the same prizecars (and let say old prizestructure) that would be a big screw up.
    Adjusting tiers in tri-series feels only fair, getting T2 atm feels like winnig a prizecar. Finals have to remain open RQ/trophys, there is no workaround for that imo.
    And as several others said, trophys doesnt mean anything anymore. I often can not beat 2-3k players in the daily with their fused up metacars and i see players with even less trophys winning major prizecars. At first i was confused, but then realised that the major jump in revenue for Hutch has do be feelable somehow in the game. Many players starting are heavy p2w right away, which is totally fine but shows trophys are no real measurement for strength anymore, when 3 yr daily player get smashed by someone who started with the GE update.
    As i dont have the right solution, i quote a friend on what do do here: "I don't know what but that's for them and their millions to figure out"
    Edit: But an idea, copied from another guy lol: simply widen the bands in the prelims and qualy. For example p1-5 (T1), p6 to 25 (T2), 26-75 (T3).
    And this could be done right away as we already have different tier sizes in events.
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Noooooo.  I get that lower trophy players need a reason to stick around and lumping them in events with high-trophy players is discouraging for them.  However, lumping all high-trophy players in a limited number of brackets would severely suck and I predict a lot would leave.
  • David_FookDavid_Fook Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just to be clear, I wasn’t asking for more separation, or more tiers, and I don’t think this is what Dmitri is suggesting. I was just interested in better prizes for the current top trophy tier. People seem to have jumped to the worst conclusion they can think of 😂
  • lemmings99olemmings99o Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just to be clear, I wasn’t asking for more separation, or more tiers, and I don’t think this is what Dmitri is suggesting. I was just interested in better prizes for the current top trophy tier. People seem to have jumped to the worst conclusion they can think of 😂
    That tends to be what the human race does, jumps to the worse possible outcome until it's confirmed that it's not gonna happen, that's the problem with vague statements, they leave to much room for people to guess what's going to happen.
  • LittleEnosBurdetteLittleEnosBurdette Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did the lower trophy brackets in prelims etc not used to have a worse prize structure? I could of sworn that was the case. 

    It’s been suggested before but players should be incentivised to increase their trophies, a CF for every 5k trophies you earn etc, backdated of course. 
  • lemmings99olemmings99o Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did the lower trophy brackets in prelims etc not used to have a worse prize structure? I could of sworn that was the case. 

    It’s been suggested before but players should be incentivised to increase their trophies, a CF for every 5k trophies you earn etc, backdated of course. 
    I dont ever remember lower trophies getting different rewards, lower rq did however.
  • mauro07mauro07 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did the lower trophy brackets in prelims etc not used to have a worse prize structure? I could of sworn that was the case. 

    It’s been suggested before but players should be incentivised to increase their trophies, a CF for every 5k trophies you earn etc, backdated of course. 

    my suggestion posted a lot of time and without answers... rewards for step of trophy every 1k some money, every 5k some gold or slots and every 10k CF... as rewards for increase rq
  • mauro07mauro07 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mauro07 said:
    i have over 70k trophy.. i will play against all whales.. in t5 i must see a B+ 1 CF not a C+ceramic.... because this thing can kill the game and a lot of old players
    Why are you assuming the trophy brackets will be any worse than they are? They have already said they wouldn’t have tiny, high trophy brackets. 

    i know.. but if they do brackets with trophy and rq to enter... we need better prizes in all 5 tiers.. because are more challenge
  • LittleEnosBurdetteLittleEnosBurdette Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did the lower trophy brackets in prelims etc not used to have a worse prize structure? I could of sworn that was the case. 

    It’s been suggested before but players should be incentivised to increase their trophies, a CF for every 5k trophies you earn etc, backdated of course. 
    I dont ever remember lower trophies getting different rewards, lower rq did however.
    I wouldn’t even know where to start looking but I’m pretty certain they did. 
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did the lower trophy brackets in prelims etc not used to have a worse prize structure? I could of sworn that was the case. 

    It’s been suggested before but players should be incentivised to increase their trophies, a CF for every 5k trophies you earn etc, backdated of course. 
    Mmmmm.....backdated.  Just think of the possible pulls. 


  • LittleEnosBurdetteLittleEnosBurdette Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    Did the lower trophy brackets in prelims etc not used to have a worse prize structure? I could of sworn that was the case. 

    It’s been suggested before but players should be incentivised to increase their trophies, a CF for every 5k trophies you earn etc, backdated of course. 
    Mmmmm.....backdated.  Just think of the possible pulls. 


    Taking into account the enhanced drop rates for new players I’d be guaranteed to pull 30 ultras. 👌🏻
  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    Did the lower trophy brackets in prelims etc not used to have a worse prize structure? I could of sworn that was the case. 

    It’s been suggested before but players should be incentivised to increase their trophies, a CF for every 5k trophies you earn etc, backdated of course. 
    Mmmmm.....backdated.  Just think of the possible pulls. 


    Taking into account the enhanced drop rates for new players I’d be guaranteed to pull 30 ultras. 👌🏻
    29x DS 7 Crossback + 1x Buick Enclave, for old times sake
  • BasilBasil Posts: 362 ✭✭✭
    BoxtaS said:
    Hutch really need to get away from the idea that trophies = garage strength. Trophy count mostly represents how long someone has been playing, not how much they’ve spent or how lucky their pulls have been. 

    A sporting analogy would be boxers: you match them on weight, NOT age. And you don’t choose which football teams are in the top league based on when they were founded. 

    But then we have 5 seater GT3 racers so who am I kidding 😂
    I agree on this. Time to forget the Trophies and but a number on garage strength. It could be as simple as: every F-car 1 point , every E-car 2 points, D=3, C=4, B=6, A=8 and S=10. For every upgrade on a car you add 0.1 
    the sum of all your cars = garage strength.
    i would like that because then I can see how ‘strong’ my opponent is and when I win a race kid myself by thinking I have used better strategy 🤪.
    advantage is that whales will come to the surface quickly and don’t ruin it for less spenders 

  • AndreasSimmerAndreasSimmer Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a car collection game and i dont wanna get punished or put into harder bracets just because i like to collect and have a good selection ( but pe no upgrades)
  • lemmings99olemmings99o Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm still of the opinion that since this is meant to be a competitive game that once you reach RQ500 it should be random brackets, get rid of trophies all together.
  • 0171801718 Posts: 450 ✭✭✭
    HeissRod said:
    Noooooo.  I get that lower trophy players need a reason to stick around and lumping them in events with high-trophy players is discouraging for them.  However, lumping all high-trophy players in a limited number of brackets would severely suck and I predict a lot would leave.

    I think this is what is the root of the problem. We want motivational incentives for different groups of players.

    There is no way to create a fair separation of trophy groups during important events. I don't want newer players to feel like plankton (whale fodder). I also don't want high-trophy players to compete among each other exclusively, especially since I worked through that hard period after 6k and would then be the small fish once again with just 25k trophies. I fear it would be like the 6k-mark all over again.

    I also dislike the idea to create different prize tiers for different trophy brackets, because this might increase the spread between new and veteran players.

    What the game needs to keep most players attracted is variety. That means:
    - different events requiring older and newer cars and also events with low RQ caps so less developed players also get their fair chances (by old and new I'm referring to the date of introduction into the game, not the model year, of course)
    - temporal tags can shift the attention to cars that usually don't shine
    - the introduction of new cars, despite having downsides, also is a way to increase the chances of newer players as well.
    - manageable player-vs-bot events (aka challenges & campaigns) that allow broad parts of the community to finish and win the prize also help to even out garage qualities.
    - maybe introduce intermediate events, where you can participate between 6-12k trophies to give players, who have crossed the line a little boost to make them cope easier. (Haven't thought this through yet)

    Just to be clear neither do I want nor expect that different measures to create fair incentives create some kind of equality.

    I'm not sure if abolishing Trophy points or a reset would be a good idea. It has been argued, that the Trophy count does not represent garage strength but is a marker for seniority. I think that is not so easy to say. Trophies are a combination of success and time, because the opportunities to be successful are time-dependent. Still having a lot of trophies indicates that you (a) had a stronger garage at some point and (b) that you received more gold, cash, packs as prizes.
  • AndreasSimmerAndreasSimmer Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mosty i agree but you forgot the one all deciding factor, thats money. There are many sub 6k players that have more upgrades in their top end than i have after three years of grinding and spending. There is no reason to push low trophy players as apparently there are so many of them into heavy spending, dailys are good to measure it, pretty often i cant beat player that have 1/10 of my trophycount.
    The only reason that brought the game so far into this direction are all the specialised CFs, i said it back then, i say it now, they are the reason the gap became unclosable for f2p and any intention to reverse this effect now is a slap for all the people spending .It may be sad for the beginners, but the direction was chosen to go heavy p2w instead of more balanced.

  • HeissRodHeissRod Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another reason that low trophy players appear to be heavy into spending is that apparently they are ok with grinding clubs for hours, even though I've seen them discuss on FB that it certainly is not fun (Hutch, are you listening?).  With them being able to arguably open more Ceramics, they have the potential to build a strong garage early on.
  • BoxtaSBoxtaS Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Hutch_Dmitri I think it’s time to talk about overfilling brackets again.

    I joined this prelim about 6 hours after the start, and played for nearly the whole 3 days. I racked up almost 90 wins, but was finally pushed out of T2 in the last hour by a late joiner with a 21-1 record. 

    Are you guys happy with the late-join situation as it is now, or is it something you plan to address? 
  • AndreasSimmerAndreasSimmer Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BoxtaS said:
    @Hutch_Dmitri I think it’s time to talk about overfilling brackets again.

    I joined this prelim about 6 hours after the start, and played for nearly the whole 3 days. I racked up almost 90 wins, but was finally pushed out of T2 in the last hour by a late joiner with a 21-1 record. 

    Are you guys happy with the late-join situation as it is now, or is it something you plan to address? 
    Also happened to a friend. The most unfair thing we have in the game! Shady deception, people spend their money on the competition around them, to re-open brackets in the last hours makes it a lottery if you are low in your tier.



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