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  • ØxØØxØ Posts: 72
    I agree with this. Have used my new Escort B class with off road tires on many tracks including facing the raptor and i dont think there are any uses for the raptor when so many cars can beat it. my escort destroys it
  • Hutch_GsearchHutch_Gsearch Posts: 2,595 admin
    Bugatti said:
    Thank god i had some of these tho

    Meh...
  • STRV103BSTRV103B Posts: 339 ✭✭✭
    STRV103B said:
    STRV103B said:
    Meanwhile in real world, rwd eat their **** in off road racing 
    Tell that to Walter Röhl and the 1982 lancia rally team
    In those old times technology are not so developed... FWD and 4WD have a absolutely advantage on off road, RWD dies in twist
    All other factors being equal, yes.  All other factors are not equal.  

    A RWD Ariel Nomad would destroy a 4WD Audi RS7 on an off road course. 

    The number of driven wheels isn't the only factor that matters.

    Anyhow, we're off topic, and I need to get to work! Have a nice day.
    Google it and you will know, and no one wants to use a RS7 in rally race, it’s stupid like using a GTR in rally, weight does matter.
  • STRV103BSTRV103B Posts: 339 ✭✭✭
    STRV103B said:
    STRV103B said:
    Meanwhile in real world, rwd eat their **** in off road racing 
    Tell that to Walter Röhl and the 1982 lancia rally team
    In those old times technology are not so developed... FWD and 4WD have a absolutely advantage on off road, RWD dies in twist
    All other factors being equal, yes.  All other factors are not equal.  

    A RWD Ariel Nomad would destroy a 4WD Audi RS7 on an off road course. 

    The number of driven wheels isn't the only factor that matters.

    Anyhow, we're off topic, and I need to get to work! Have a nice day.
    RWD is really hard to handle in rainy and off road, do some work bud
  • Hutch_GsearchHutch_Gsearch Posts: 2,595 admin
    @STRV103B You need to chill out.  Seems your every post is insulting to someone.  You can have a conversation and even a debate without all the snide remarks.
  • STRV103BSTRV103B Posts: 339 ✭✭✭
    Gsearch said:
    @STRV103B You need to chill out.  Seems your every post is insulting to someone.  You can have a conversation and even a debate without all the snide remarks.
    Insulting? Snide? At least I’m not so impolite and offensive, I didn’t attack anyone, what I did is speak out, you can chose not to look since I didn’t intend to offend someone 
  • STRV103BSTRV103B Posts: 339 ✭✭✭
    Gsearch said:
    @STRV103B You need to chill out.  Seems your every post is insulting to someone.  You can have a conversation and even a debate without all the snide remarks.
    You as an administrator should make it fair, I just express what I want to say but I got some attack indeed, but what did I do to them?Dude I speak in a joke tone and never attack them. If you think those are too offensive I won’t speak like that
  • Hutch_GsearchHutch_Gsearch Posts: 2,595 admin
    No worries, just try to keep it friendly.  Thanks.
  • grandvachegrandvache Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    STRV103B said:
    STRV103B said:
    STRV103B said:
    Meanwhile in real world, rwd eat their **** in off road racing 
    Tell that to Walter Röhl and the 1982 lancia rally team
    In those old times technology are not so developed... FWD and 4WD have a absolutely advantage on off road, RWD dies in twist
    All other factors being equal, yes.  All other factors are not equal.  

    A RWD Ariel Nomad would destroy a 4WD Audi RS7 on an off road course. 

    The number of driven wheels isn't the only factor that matters.

    Anyhow, we're off topic, and I need to get to work! Have a nice day.
    Google it and you will know, and no one wants to use a RS7 in rally race, it’s stupid like using a GTR in rally, weight does matter.
    I never said that they did, I'm just making the point that there is significantly more to off road performance than 4wd.

    Plenty of RWD cars still rally today btw.
  • STRV103BSTRV103B Posts: 339 ✭✭✭
    STRV103B said:
    STRV103B said:
    STRV103B said:
    Meanwhile in real world, rwd eat their **** in off road racing 
    Tell that to Walter Röhl and the 1982 lancia rally team
    In those old times technology are not so developed... FWD and 4WD have a absolutely advantage on off road, RWD dies in twist
    All other factors being equal, yes.  All other factors are not equal.  

    A RWD Ariel Nomad would destroy a 4WD Audi RS7 on an off road course. 

    The number of driven wheels isn't the only factor that matters.

    Anyhow, we're off topic, and I need to get to work! Have a nice day.
    Google it and you will know, and no one wants to use a RS7 in rally race, it’s stupid like using a GTR in rally, weight does matter.
    I never said that they did, I'm just making the point that there is significantly more to off road performance than 4wd.

    Plenty of RWD cars still rally today btw.
    I didn’t say you can’t drive a rwd in rally, but fwd and awd have an absolute advantage
  • STRV103BSTRV103B Posts: 339 ✭✭✭

    STRV103B said:
    STRV103B said:
    STRV103B said:
    Meanwhile in real world, rwd eat their **** in off road racing 
    Tell that to Walter Röhl and the 1982 lancia rally team
    In those old times technology are not so developed... FWD and 4WD have a absolutely advantage on off road, RWD dies in twist
    All other factors being equal, yes.  All other factors are not equal.  

    A RWD Ariel Nomad would destroy a 4WD Audi RS7 on an off road course. 

    The number of driven wheels isn't the only factor that matters.

    Anyhow, we're off topic, and I need to get to work! Have a nice day.
    Google it and you will know, and no one wants to use a RS7 in rally race, it’s stupid like using a GTR in rally, weight does matter.
    I never said that they did, I'm just making the point that there is significantly more to off road performance than 4wd.

    Plenty of RWD cars still rally today btw.
    Forgive me find some random articles online, so many data and articles shows rwd sux on off road, they are hard to handle, and same driver driving a fwd or a 4wd will absolutely beat his rwd 
  • STRV103BSTRV103B Posts: 339 ✭✭✭
    Gsearch said:
    No worries, just try to keep it friendly.  Thanks.
    I thought I was always trying to be friendly...
  • mikesmikes Posts: 4,369 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2018
    Alright, time to chime in. RWD is absolutely better in an off-road race environment. If it's an average driver, then FWD is safer and easier to handle. But if it's a professional driver, there's a lot more control and performance available when one set of wheels are driving the car and the other set are steering the car. Understand the engineering and physics of it. It's impossible for a tire to completely steer and deliver power. It has to do one or other or compensate between the two.

    There's a reason big-buck off-road series are AWD or RWD. Take a look a MINI. A master of FWD. But they chose RWD for their off-road buggy. because it performs much better (and is easier on the equipment).
    https://blog.caranddriver.com/mini-running-dakar-with-awd-rallye-and-rwd-buggy/

    Trophy trucks are RWD and are on some of the tightest, twistiest course out there.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_Truck

    Do almost all WRC two-wheel drive cars use FWD (The R1, R2, R3 classes)? Yes. But they need to be based on production cars, and well, there aren't any subcompact RWD cars anymore.

    Of course there is the odd exception to the rule.



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  • grandvachegrandvache Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    mikes said:
    Alright, time to chime in. RWD is absolutely better in an off-road race environment. If it's an average driver, then FWD is safer and easier to handle. But if it's a professional driver, there's a lot more control and performance available when one set of wheels are driving the car and the other set are steering the car. Understand the engineering and physics of it. It's impossible for a tire to completely steer and deliver power. It has to do one or other or compensate between the two.

    There's a reason big-buck off-road series are AWD or RWD. Take a look a MINI. A master of FWD. But they chose RWD for their off-road buggy. because it performs much better (and is easier on the equipment).
    https://blog.caranddriver.com/mini-running-dakar-with-awd-rallye-and-rwd-buggy/

    Trophy trucks are RWD and are on some of the tightest, twistiest course out there.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_Truck

    Do almost all WRC two-wheel drive cars use FWD (The R1, R2, R3 classes)? Yes. But they need to be based on production cars, and well, there aren't any subcompact RWD cars anymore.

    Of course there is the odd exception to the rule.



    I was just going to mention Dakar trucks.  Great minds think alike.
  • STRV103BSTRV103B Posts: 339 ✭✭✭
    mikes said:
    Alright, time to chime in. RWD is absolutely better in an off-road race environment. If it's an average driver, then FWD is safer and easier to handle. But if it's a professional driver, there's a lot more control and performance available when one set of wheels are driving the car and the other set are steering the car. Understand the engineering and physics of it. It's impossible for a tire to completely steer and deliver power. It has to do one or other or compensate between the two.

    There's a reason big-buck off-road series are AWD or RWD. Take a look a MINI. A master of FWD. But they chose RWD for their off-road buggy. because it performs much better (and is easier on the equipment).
    https://blog.caranddriver.com/mini-running-dakar-with-awd-rallye-and-rwd-buggy/

    Trophy trucks are RWD and are on some of the tightest, twistiest course out there.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_Truck

    Do almost all WRC two-wheel drive cars use FWD (The R1, R2, R3 classes)? Yes. But they need to be based on production cars, and well, there aren't any subcompact RWD cars anymore.

    Of course there is the odd exception to the rule.



    Some modification cars have different adjustments on all 4 wheels make it easier to handle... those hard modified car are not in my assumption... I am always talking about production cars. BTW, mini is master of fwd? Civic Type R won’t agree that, but we don’t discuss manufacturers here, it’s like a argue of best programming language lol
  • mikesmikes Posts: 4,369 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey, I said 'a' master of FWD, not the master ;)
  • HuacanachaHuacanacha Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭✭✭
    STRV103B said:
    STRV103B said:
    Meanwhile in real world, rwd eat their **** in off road racing 
    Tell that to Walter Röhl and the 1982 lancia rally team
    In those old times technology are not so developed... FWD and 4WD have a absolutely advantage on off road, RWD dies in twist
    All other factors being equal, yes.  All other factors are not equal.  

    A RWD Ariel Nomad would destroy a 4WD Audi RS7 on an off road course. 

    The number of driven wheels isn't the only factor that matters.

    Anyhow, we're off topic, and I need to get to work! Have a nice day.
    The Grand Tour raced an Arial Nomad vs an Audi TT on a gravel track. Surprisingly the Audi won, and fairly convincingly too if I recall correctly. Maybe it was fitted with “standard” tires? ;)
  • STRV103BSTRV103B Posts: 339 ✭✭✭
    mikes said:
    Hey, I said 'a' master of FWD, not the master ;)
    Ok...
  • exarhoexarho Posts: 82 ✭✭
    is anyone having trouble with the Pikes Peak???I don't have one but i would like to know why donuts have a hole??
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